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#139628 - 10/16/01 12:50 PM Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ScubaLdy Offline
My mind went to work overtime last night. Think about this.
Can it be proven that he absconded with the funds?
If so, can't a warrant be issued for his ARREST?
Does anyone have a picture of Adam? If so, everyone who is on this board could send it to everyone on their e-mail list. It could be made up as a WANTED poster.
Everyone who has been virtually "robbed" could go together and post an AWARD for arrest AND conviction.
Too bad it took so long for the truth to come out, but don't just sit back and let the victimization continue.
You have the internet at your fingertips. GO GET HIM!
You guys may end up owning the whole shebang -- wouldn't that be something?
Maybe I should buy in. . . . like buying stock when it hits bottom.
Harriette
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#139629 - 10/16/01 01:34 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
KC Offline
I have also been wondering why no one was hot after the rascal's heels. Maybe they have tried??
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#139630 - 10/16/01 06:30 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Belize2002 Offline
Im beginging to think that Adam Chandler and Osama Bin Laden are the same people. I hate them both !

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#139631 - 10/16/01 06:57 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Billizer Offline
Yah, right; track down Adam Chandler. What then, he'll probably just sell ya all some more time-shares. Maybe this time in Kabol.

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#139632 - 10/16/01 10:00 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
Well....I can see asking Harriette not to start this topic landed on deaf ears.

Getting all worked up over this before you really know what is going on won't do anybody any good. It certainly won't get the resort finished any faster.....and may even be detrimental to any progress that may or may not happen.

I guess all of you are ready to just hang it up right now....right?

Harriet....I wasn't aware that you had a stake in Basil Jones....please don't just keep stirring the pot.

If the owners want to collectively solve this issue....it will be with the current management and owners of Basil Jones....not through this message board. They can post all day long on here and never have anything concrete in their hands.
It's best to go to the source and settle it.

If by some chance the resort IS finished and everyone gets what they were promised....then what is the point of tracking down Adam?

If it turns out they don't finish it....then I can understand going on a manhunt. Until that time though....I wouldn't bite off my nose to spite my face.

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#139633 - 10/16/01 11:16 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Mosquitorose Offline
Hmmmmm..don't see any harm in trying to find out what's going on with Adam.

MosquitoR
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#139634 - 10/16/01 11:56 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
rickcheri Offline
Last we heard he is in the Domican Republic, doing the same thing...

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#139635 - 10/17/01 12:51 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Belize2002 Offline
Last time I checked, this was a public message board and we could post anything we wanted to ! This just so happens to be the place where some of the Basil Jones owners hang out, because we like it here ! Please dont critique us on what we say !

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#139636 - 10/17/01 02:49 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ScubaLdy Offline
Well....I can see asking Harriette not to start this topic landed on deaf ears.

Tammy -- I had already posted it and there were some responses before I got your request to not post.

No folks, I do not have a part of Basil Jones. I've never had an interest in Time-Shares. I did meet Tammy in January of this year and we talked about me providing underwater images for her to use on the web site and brochures. I never completed my end of the bargain so I lost nothing.

However, I tried and tried asking questions here about Long Caye on Lighthouse and got the silent treatment. Now that people are asking questions and getting answers on Basil Jones they are also starting to speak up about Long Caye.

Sorry Tammy. But I do want to live in Belize and I feel that I have a right to know as much as possible before moving there. Remember, you are the one that kept telling me "living here is not the same as visiting here."

Harriette
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#139637 - 10/17/01 12:23 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
KC Offline
Harriette,
Could you e-mail me with your edress, please?
I have a question.
kathycarp@home.com
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#139638 - 10/17/01 02:25 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
munichchick Offline
I can't believe Adam is doing this in the D.R. as well. That is terrible!!!

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#139639 - 10/17/01 06:22 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Mosquitorose Offline
Hmmmm... dont' know about you guys...but the more forbidden a territory is... the more I tend to tread there.

MosquitoR
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#139640 - 10/17/01 07:37 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
*staggering around after being clubbed to death* OK....SHUT MY MOUTH!!!!!

You guys can do anything you like.....never said you couldn't! I just simply asked NOT to blow everything out of porportion until you find out all the details on what is REALLY going on.

YES....this is a public forum....and as an administrator here....I probably let a lot of discussion go that others might pull.
If I had wanted to....I could have pulled posts about Basil Jones from the get go....but as you all say...this IS a public forum and as such you have a right to voice your opinions and concerns....as do I.

I would'nt go as far as Belize2002 and say that you can say anything....because that is not true....there are some things that will get you pulled....as others have learned.

All I'm asking....and I repeat....ASKING....is that the discussion remains constructive so as not to jeopardize any possibility of future progress being made on the resort.....and that is for the sake of the owners....who have a lot of money invested in seeing the resort finished.

Going on a manhunt will not accomplish that.
It may appease you for a while and make you feel better that you are doing something instead of just sitting idle at the mercy of others.....but it won't get the resort finished....or get your money back any sooner.

I personally think that the people who have bought quarter shares in this project approach the new owner about collectively getting together and owning it. Finish it themselves....seems that would be the best bet for recouping your investment plus more.
What's the saying?...there is safety in numbers!
Same principle holds true for companies that employees own.

I'd like to hear feedback (positive would be appreciated) on this idea....and I will try and help the owners connect so they can discuss this.

MosquitoRose....I'm sure you've been reading all the post about Basil Jones and Adam....so surely you are aware that nobody is holding back at this point. I am aware of who you are...and quite frankly I'm surprised that if you had something to say to me....you didn't just email me personally.
But that's ok....at this point I've been thru so much shit nothing could mess up my day....unless it involved my family.

Owners can email me at sanshakr@hotmail.com

I've said my peace....


[This message has been edited by Sandshaker (edited 10-17-2001).]

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#139641 - 10/17/01 09:03 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Belize2002 Offline
Tammy, that would be great to have some help in finding out what we can do, but........ who in the hell is the owner ? Gary cant seem to give any of us a straight answer, let alone an email back to our questions. He has more excuses than Carter has peanuts ! You are the only person who knows anything that will talk to us and give us some answers. So, if you could help us, that would be wonderful !

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#139642 - 10/17/01 09:42 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
WHEW.....*big long sigh*.....LOL

Why do I give a damn about this resort???
I should have my head examined for sure!!!
LOL

Look...let's do this....

If you are an OWNER....and you need info....send the email to me....I will try to answer it as best as possible and hopefully open some communication up between all parties concerned.

Maybe together we can all come up with a solution...it's worth a try at this point.
I need ideas of what you would like to see happen and how best to accomplish it.

Keep in mind I'm not getting paid to do this....so don't beat me up too much....LOL

I'm not going to discuss ownership on this message board. You know full well what would happen if I told you who the owner is and how to reach him. He would be bombarded with emails and then it would be impossible for him to concentrate on finishing the resort....he would be answering emails 24/7.

I know that will make some of you mad...but I'm sorry....I stand by that...b/c I've been on the other end of the email train for a long time....so...if you want to resolve this.....email me and let me do the legwork.

All I ask is that all work with me on this and see if you can muster up just one more ounce of patience.

I have a feeling that the owner has not yet given up on this project...just kinda stuck for the moment and is probably open to ideas.

Thanks for your input!

sanshakr@hotmail.com

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#139643 - 10/17/01 10:44 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Mosquitorose Offline
Hi, SS doesn't matter who I am..I don't have a personal issue with you or anyone for that matter. I read the posts and respond accordingly just like anyone else. Being a product of Belize I have the advantage of looking at this problem with a different perspective. But since you have addressed me personally...I would like to ask you. What is your interest now? and why are you working so hard to accomlpish what? I believe you told us you no longer work for Basil Jones. On one hand you tell everyone that they're are getting all worked up, and Harriett should stop stirring the pot. That tracking down Adam would be detrimental to any progress that might or might not happen. And in the same breath informing us you are an adminstrator here and can pull things off. What could anyone possible say to jeopardize any POSSIBILITY of future progress of this project. And why can't they have the owners name? why are they denied information? They have lots of money invested and you are worried about email? what? "There is some thing fishy here". (old belize saying). But that's just me... I question everything. No hard feelings to you or anyone....just my opinion.

peace

MosquitoR

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#139644 - 10/17/01 11:21 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
MARIA ELENA Offline
Yeah!!! good question Mosquito. Why does it mean so much to you Sandshaker now that you no longer are employed by Basil Jones. Would just like to know the answer to that on.

MARIA ELENA

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#139645 - 10/17/01 11:39 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
KC Offline
Aren't deeds public record in Belize as they are in the U.S.? If I wanted to know who held deed to a piece of property, I could find out. Is it so in Belize?

The only information I have about BJR is what I have read right here on this BB, and I must say that some things don't "add up." I keep wondering to myself, "why in the world would it be a bad thing to go after the SOB thief (especially if he is actually still being a thief in another country), if that was at all possible? Why would catching him jeopardize BJR in any way, since he supposedly has abandon the project?"

Tammy, it is obvious that you know things that the owners do not. But you must understand that right now they are not real receptive to someone saying, "Trust me. Do it my way." That may be good advice from you, but it is hard for them to hear right now. A very charismatic liar has just taken their hard-earned money. I'd be gun-shy too.

Kathy
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#139646 - 10/17/01 11:58 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Belize2002 Offline
Its all very obvious, Gary Carlson wont get back to us. But, you know what we want to know ? Is why wont he tell us the honest truth ? Its our money and we should have a right to know whats going on. We get lies and the run-around all the time . This timeshare was a 15th wedding anniversary gift and we were going to go to Belize and celebrate. I knew it was too good to be true when we bought it, but trying to be positive, we thought we would give it a try. Now, we arent going anywhere for our anniversary because we spent all the money on this timeshare. And we cant spacebank it, cause the resort isnt open. Ok, I will stop sobbing on and on now, but thats just my share of this ongoing saga. Which Im sure that many of you share the same story as us ! Forgive us for being a little frustrated with the staff from BJR.

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#139647 - 10/18/01 01:07 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Donna Offline
Adam Chandler is a crook. I have not lost any money on this but to say others that have should censor themselves is irresponsible.

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#139648 - 10/18/01 01:33 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Mosquitorose Offline
YES, Belize keeps puplic records. If you have a contract or something to show, go down to the courhouse and get your information. Or if you know some one in Belize you could send a copy and have them do it for you. Doing anything by mail in Belize takes a loooooong time honey, which I'm sure you know by now. I believe you should have been told the truth from the beginning and not treated like some yesterday's fish dinner. A little Respect goes a long way.

MosquitoR
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#139649 - 10/18/01 02:40 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
margarita Offline
We pay taxes on our property on North Ambergris. These records and maps are kept in San Pedro Town Hall. They are always very helpful when we go in there.
Belize it!

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#139650 - 10/18/01 03:52 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
munichchick Offline
Belize2002! I am so sorry that your anniversary plans are down the toilet now. That is very sad. It was our 12 year anniversary when we went to AC in June to stay in our "romantic" Tiki Hut. We are just glad Tamy and Gary put us up in a decent condo on AC and gave us a bottle of Champagne. That was nice. The condo was not romantic and exactly where we would have stayed if it was our choice but it was comfortable and nice. So no hard feelings there. However, we where planing on spending our vacation next March at BJR and we have(had)reservation there. It would have been very affordable. Now we would have to spend much more money than planed since our vacation budget is in the timeshare week and we might have to go to a less expensive destination. I guess we will wait and see for now.

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#139651 - 10/18/01 06:09 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
OK...don't trust me...and don't email me....believe me....I can live without all the stress.

Just thought I'd try and help....I can solve this problem right now.
You are all on your own....see how far you get trying to get info.

I have an interest not because I work for them....but b/c I spent 16 months working my ass off on this project and giving a damn about it. Maybe I just want to see it finished....so I can say I accomplished something and so that a lot of people won't loose their investment.

YES...you can do a title search in Belize and find out the owners.

The property issue is being negotiated as we speak....that is the hold up on finishing the resort.

As far as Gary is concerned....he is in the states on a personal matter.....we all have them....and has been unable to pull mail on a regular business.

Remember...we all have lives....no one is immune from mishaps and tragedies.

As far as this topic is concerned....I'll shut the hell up. If the owners want to email me that's fine....I will try and answer their questions. If you are not an owner....then I don't owe you an explanation for anything.

Done..finished!

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#139652 - 10/18/01 10:50 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
seashell Offline
Tammy, I sure hate to see a few bad seeds get to you.

I'll say it again. I have no interest in Basil Jones resort but I've been reading and participating in this board for about 2 years now.

Tammy has never been anything but charming, helpful and enthusiastic. Everyone that has met her that has commented here has nothing but wonderful things to say about her. She was a pillar during Hurricane Keith.

It seems very sad to me that someone that is showing all of the characteristics of a good person on a consistent basis not to mention a level of concern for work above and beyond the call, is having to suffer this abuse.

I'm very sorry that some of you have an investment in Basil Jones that has gone bad and could get worse, but taking it out on the one person that is trying to be helpful is just plain wrong and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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#139653 - 10/19/01 12:30 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
KC Offline
Tammy, I apologize profusely if what I said offended you. It was not meant as a put-down to you. I just wanted to say that these people have been hurt, and they *may* not be ready to trust anyone who is/was associated with this project that has gone awry. It may take some time.

Good luck to everyone involved. But I still hope that the thief is caught and punished. Let's just say I hope everyone involved gets what they deserve! and more!

Kathy
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#139654 - 10/19/01 01:11 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Mosquitorose Offline
AMEN KC

MosquitoR

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#139655 - 10/19/01 11:46 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
John Poulin Offline
****NOTICE****

I can tell you that I have had nothing but empty promises for over a year.....I have read numerous postings from good people who paid for this so-called resort in good faith.....

I might also point out that our money was taken via wire which may or may not lead to wire fraud, bank fraud, and other areas of the interstate commerce act.

I want answers....

I want an explanation on the basil jones resort's expected opening...

If we do not receive official information on this resort by months end I have instructed my attorney to engage the authorities in my State, the FBI, and Interpol to discuss an investigation and charges in this matter.

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#139656 - 10/20/01 11:59 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
calchick Offline
I'm hanging with seashell ... although Tammy worked for BJR as a job, she worked even harder at being an unofficial ambassador for Americans visiting AC, and as a guardian angel for many AC residents. While not an employee of BJR any more, Tammy is still attempting to offer assistance to owners. Let her help you!

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#139657 - 10/21/01 09:03 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
rickcheri Offline
I DITTO that calchic!!! Tammy doesn't have to do any of this! She is a good woman, and her intentions should not be of question...she is still willing to help, however she can.....FOR FREE! All i know is that at the end of July, there were guys still out there working at the resort! They were the ones who "rescued" us when our boat capsized! It's a beautiful resort, and i'm sure things will work out in due time. But i for one, RUN when anyone has ever mentioned "time share" to me!! C

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#139658 - 10/29/01 09:45 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
David P Offline
Is there any new info on the Basil Jones issue?

My e-mail address is dbpurkey@earthlink.net

Thanks
David

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#139659 - 11/02/01 09:41 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
We are also owners who have been conned by Adam Chandler. We would be happy to join ANY class action against him & his company. Keep us in the loop!

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#139660 - 11/02/01 09:57 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
I kept this archived in my e-mail. Thought it would interest you.....
Re: Basil Jones Resort
Date:
Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:26:20 -0400
From:
"Gary Carlson" <gmcarlson@snet.net>
To:
<tanakadesigns@home.com>
References:
1
Good Morning,
I assume you got my email address from ebay or from the B.B.. I too saw the
same letter sometime ago, and I was a bit confused with its content. I
purchased my timeshare unit(s) back in October of 99. At the same time, I
also purchased 2 other unit weeks for my friends, for a total of 3. I have
spoken with the developer, Adam, many times with great results. He is quite
nice.

In march of this year, I went to Ambergris Caye, met Tammy in the resort
office, who was nice enough to arrange boat transportation for us out to the
area. The land had just been cleared a week prior to us being there. I
took many pictures while there, and even shot some video. Since then, many
changes have taken place. I emailed some of my pictures to Adam, and told
him to feel free to use any or all of them. I have noticed them in some of
his ads, and even on his web pages, that he is still using them. Smile!


Had rokyhilz done their homework before going to A.C. they would have
realized that the only way to the resort is by boat, right now! Yes when I
was in the office, out back were 5 or 6 computers for "hire" to connect to
the Internet. Some vacationers like to check email while away. I did.
Actually, I emailed my wife upon arrival, as she stayed at home and let me
go and check things out. Many islanders have the need to "connect" but
don't have the resources.

I too, found that none of the "locals" back in March had any idea about this
resort, and most of the locals have no idea on what a timeshare is?? I met
a young man while on the island. I happened to be staying at the Banana
Beach Resort, but took a short walk over to the Royal Palm Resort. Another
RCI resort on A.C. After chatting with the young man about my purchase, he
informed me that he knew Adam. He name was Steve Drummond, President of
destiny resorts, The Royal Palm. He gave me glowing reports both about Adam,
the Resort, and RCI.

I hope that I have answered some of your questions. I must tell you, I am
just getting out of work, as I work the 12- 8 shift, and I am a tad bit
tired. I must close the letter now, but I DO look forward to hearing from
you soon. I will include a few links for you. but you probably already have
them Let me know what you think.


Gary Carlson
units 1,2 3 all week 7
and
1 week floating all on the Basil Jones Resort.

Tammy's email address, She is very helpful and hard working.
timeshare@btl.net

Resort pix http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4294258449

Adam's email address timeshare@email.skytel.com

Resort Web Page http://www.glentree.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael K. Tanaka" <tanakadesigns@home.com>
To: <gmcarlson@snet.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:44 PM
Subject: Basil Jones Resort


> Are you an owner at this resort. We bought 2 weeks about a year ago, and
> read some of the feedback e-mail on
> www.zing.com/album/review.html?id=4294258449
> I was somewhat concerned about the letter written below. Have you had
> any updates on the Resort. The Basil Jones Resort web site www.glentree.com/introduction.htm
> says "Newly Revised Plans!" Do you know what's happening with the
construction?
> We'd appreciate any info that you have.
> Thank you
> Anita & Michael
>
> rokyhilz (rokyhilz@aol.com) Wed Jul 19 2000, 08:34am PT
> Hello! we are one of the proud
> preconstruction owners for a week
> each year at the resort. We
> recently came back from belize, and
> loved it. We traveled as far north
> by golf cart, and ran into a dead
> end. We traveled far north by
> boat, well past Journey's End, and
> still no sign as to where the
> resort is going in. We were there in
> June, so should have seen the dock
> in progress....Could anyone
> give me an odae where it is
> exactly on the map? Also, to hear
> others(locals and recently moved
> in, have not heard of the resort,
> and have had pretty funny
> responses as to what Basil Jones is
> exactly. One local that had a
> business right by the office(where
> Tammy works .....Hello Tammy!!)
> said that Basil Jones was a
> Internet company! LOL!! others
> said, there was no way on earth
> that the resort has a chance of
> being built in 1/2 a year, or even 2
> years for that matter. Adam, what
> are your responses to that?
> Anyway, we have full trust and
> hopes that everything is going
> along well for your builders.
> Things do seem like they take
> FOREVER to build there considering
> the equipment available,
> but if there's a will, there's a
> way, right??
>

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#139661 - 11/02/01 10:14 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
also received this e-mail today
Subject:
Basil Jones Resort
Date:
Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:23:17 -0600
From:
Belize Information <vacation@travelbelize.org>
To:
tanakadesigns@home.com


Hi Anita,

Greetings from Belize, "Mother Nature's Best Kept Secret"

Ambergris Caye was not affected by the hurricane. Basil Jones Resort is still under constructions and has not open for
business as yet. If you need additional information, kindly contact us. Thanks for choosing Belize.

Sincerely,

Colleen Gillett
Information Officer

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#139662 - 11/03/01 10:00 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Lan Sluder/Belize First Offline
Here's the text of an editorial I wrote on timeshares in Belize about three or four years ago, for Belize First magazine. (This editorial is still posted on our Web edition at http://www.belizefirst.com/bfjan/timeshareshome.html)

I still think Belize is in for trouble when it permits essentially unregulated developers to build and sell timehshares. These developments are almost always trouble, not just for buyers but for legitimate hotels on the island.


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NO TIME FOR TIMESHARES
Opinion by Lan Sluder

Timeshares are starting to show up in Belize, with timeshare conversions from existing properties or new developments taking place on Ambergris Caye, in Placencia, and even on remote cayes. Expect to see more of these in Belize, as frustrated hotel owners turn to timeshare conversions as a way to get out of a money-losing resort proposition, and promoters come to where the fast bucks can be made without much legal oversight or control.
On the surface, timeshares may seem like a good idea for everyone. For the developer, it's a way to add value to a property. A US$500,000 property might be worth a million or even two if successfully developed as a timeshare. For tourists, timeshares in theory are a way to lock in a desirable condo-style accommodation in a sought-after area at a fixed price. And for the government and local businesses, timeshares - again in theory - can bring affluent visitors back again and again, spreading money around the local economy each time.

Timeshares indeed are a boom industry. Recent studies show that "interval ownership" sales hit US$5 billion annually, with more than 3 million owners around the world. The involvement of Disney, Marriott, and Hilton has brought new credibility to the industry.

But, for a lot of people, the reality of timeshares is different from the theory. That's especially true in places like Belize, where consumer protection statutes - such as restrictions on marketing practices or the 10-day "cooling off period" granted by some U.S. states to timeshare buyers, to give them a chance to change their mind following high-pressure sales tactics - may not be in place or difficult to enforce.

Timeshares can bring more problems than they are worth, and I encourage Belize tourism operators to think twice, at least, before getting involved in any timeshare operation. And I urge Belize travelers to approach any timeshare with a very skeptical eye.

Here are just a few of the problems that can plague timeshares:
It's easy to buy a timeshare, but very, very, very difficult to sell one. A poll of 485 timeshare owners by the Resort Property Owners Association discovered that 58% said they had been trying to sell their timeshares for an average of 4.4 years, but only about 3% of those with units on the market had been able to sell. Some had been trying to unload their units for as long as 11 years. Because marketing costs constitute up to 50% of the sales price - that's how timeshare salespeople can afford that flashy jewelry - the moment you buy your dream vacation home it drops in value by up to one-half.

High-pressure sales techniques hurt not only buyers but local businesses and the tourism industry in general. One of the biggest complaints in tourist areas such as Cancun and Hawaii is the relentless pursuit of tourists by touts trying to round up prospects for sales presentations. Some states, including Hawaii, have had to pass legislation controlling timeshare solicitations.

Timeshares attract some of the least-desirable types of developers. Yes, Disney and Marriott have brought new quality to the industry. But Disney and Marriott are not going to be developing in Belize anytime in the next few centuries. They stay in places like Orlando, where almost one-third U.S. timeshares are located, and which gets more tourists in one month than the entire country of Belize gets in 10 years. Belize, like some other Caribbean destinations, offers "low regulation" markets where almost anything goes, and the worst type of timeshare abuses are possible.

Even the best timeshare can get old fast. With each unit in a timeshare being divided into 40 or 50 separate pieces, a timeshare development quickly ends up with hundreds or even thousands of owners, spread around the globe. Add to that the fact that the big money in timeshares is made in sales, not in management, and you have a recipe for real estate disaster - fragmented ownership and unmotivated management. Easily can happen here what happened in the 1980s in New Orleans, then the urban timeshare capital of the U.S. Timeshare owners made their cream, then took a powder, leaving once-ritzy timeshare developments to the termites, with far flung owners perplexed, disillusioned, and missing thousands of dollars.

The real cost of timeshares too often leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Owners get tired of paying hundreds of dollars a year in maintenance fees, taxes, and "assessments" - often these fees alone add up to the cost of a stay at a first-class hotel. They become frustrated by the deteriorating condition of the development and their total inability to recover the US$5,000 or $10,000 they "invested" in the timeshare (the average timeshare costs US$7,500.) For their part, local business people and tourism operators tire of the bad image timeshares bring to their area, and they find the promises of new local jobs and more tourism didn't quite pan out. Even government gets the shaft, because it's left with a resort that nobody pays taxes on, and a big, fat mess to clean up.
Belize is a special place. Its appeal for visitors is in its jungle lodges and small seaside resorts and inns, not in glitzy, high-pressure timeshares.

Timeshares may have their place, but in my opinion that place is Orlando or Hilton Head or St. Maarten or Cancun, not Belize.

Lan Sluder is editor and publisher of BELIZE FIRST Magazine. He has never owned a timeshare, but as a newspaper editor and reporter he did cover the timeshare industry in New Orleans in the 1980s.
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Lan Sluder/Belize First
http://www.belizefirst.com

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#139663 - 11/03/01 11:05 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
Thanks for the article. Do you have any suggestions as to where we can stay on Ambergris Caye now that it doesn't look like we will be staying at the Basil Jones Resort? We have our plane tickets and have taken vacation time off from work.

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#139664 - 11/03/01 11:46 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Chloe Offline
Lan, your above article is excellent.
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Dare To Deviate

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#139665 - 11/03/01 01:30 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Luckyjim Offline
Great idea. Would make a great adventure holiday to track Adam down, in all the dark places on Planet Earth. It would cost more than he owes you all by a long shot though. Remember Bernie Cornfield "Do You Sincerely Want To Be Rich?" Stole most of a billion $ and got away with it.
When you do track Adam down and he talks you into buying him dinner and drinks, say "Hi" from Luckyjim. He was a loveable old rougue wasn't he?

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#139666 - 11/03/01 06:37 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
There is an update on the Basil Jones Resort on: http://www.glentree.com/progress.htm
It says that a new corporation has taken over the project.
What do you think?

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#139667 - 11/03/01 06:49 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Lan Sluder/Belize First Offline
I think time share developers are time share developers and time share sales people are time share sales people!

--Lan Sluder
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Lan Sluder/Belize First
http://www.belizefirst.com

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#139668 - 11/04/01 02:35 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
On the bottom of this page are several links to sites about Ambergris Caye. I clicked on the Belize Business Directory & e-mailed everyone from
newspapers, politicians, construction companies, travel agencies,etc, with the situation about Basil Jones Resort. Hoping someone with some
current info about what's going on there will e-mail back or at least investigate what's going on. I figure the more people who know what's going
on there the better. Let's get an e-mail campaign going & see if ANYONE there can or will help us!
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If anyone would like to e-mail me directly I would be happy to be active in helping to resolve this issue any way I can: tanakadesigns@home.com


[This message has been edited by ati2d (edited 11-04-2001).]

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#139669 - 11/07/01 12:26 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Luckyjim Offline
Prediction: The original owner will get the land back because there was no final subdivision, issue of title and final payment to convert the lease to ownership. The resort will never gets finished because the ownership is so messy completion could not be financed. What do you think?

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#139670 - 11/07/01 12:36 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
NYgal Offline
I try not to think. It's way tooooo time consuming.

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#139671 - 11/07/01 12:41 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Gary Offline
LuckyJim

Please visit the web site for Basil Jones Resort & Club before you try to guess what is really going on. Look at the progress report page. Things have changed. A new corporation will complete this project!

Gary

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#139672 - 11/07/01 04:59 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
munichchick Offline
Yeah! Gary is back.

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#139673 - 11/07/01 05:22 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
GARY,
THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING, & MY HUSBAND & I WILL HANG IN THERE & KEEP THE FAITH!
ANITA

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#139674 - 11/07/01 08:06 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Luckyjim Offline
Glad you are alive Garry. I'm never one to wish the worst on anyone. I'll take a look.

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#139675 - 11/08/01 09:12 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
dolphin Offline
Visit Basil Jones for yourselves. Just took a couple up there, and they spent a night in one of the rooms, and loved it! They rented snorkel gear and a kayak, grilled on the beach, and were impressed with the quality of the buildings and the beauty of the area.
I have had several opportunities to visit, and although far from town (which to me adds to its allure), it is well done.
Both Tammy and Gary have been upfront and forthcoming as possible, and I have been impressed with both of them. To those of you in an investment situation, I recommend that you treat them as allies if you want to accomplish anything. They were not the ones that did anything wrong.
Contact the Island Ferry if you need a way to get there, and you can make arrangements to be picked up whenever you like.

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#139676 - 11/08/01 10:48 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
Thanks Dolphin!
Big kiss for you....haven't kissed you for a long time...sure do miss that! *wink*
Hope all is well in your world.

Best Wishes Always,
Tammy

[This message has been edited by Sandshaker (edited 11-08-2001).]

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#139677 - 11/08/01 12:51 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Luckyjim Offline
You should send me an e-mail Tammy and let me know how you are doing. And how is Smoky? I think he appreciated me going by every day and taking care of him. He was only mad at Silk, not me.

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#139678 - 11/08/01 01:09 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
munichchick Offline
Now you know why we where so upset thinking the resort would never open! We have been to Basil Jones and know how beautiful it is up there and how nice the Tiki Villas are.

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#139679 - 11/08/01 02:31 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VERY IMPORTANT:
EVERYONE CALL THE BELIZE BOARD OF TOURISM & SPEAK TO COLLEEN FOR AN IMPORTANT UPDATE RE: BASIL JONES RESORT.
1-800-624-0686
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#139680 - 11/08/01 05:44 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
Jim...you'll have to forgive me....I'm a little out of sorts today.

Smokey was killed last night...just found him this morning.

That cat has been all over the world with me...thru thick and thin...was always there to listen to me...and gave me no lip service back. He was an amazing cat....never find another one like him.

I'll write soon,
Tammy

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#139681 - 11/08/01 07:34 PM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
ati2d Offline
FW: No subject was specified.
Date:
Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:02:43 -0500
From:
"Nordberg, Marc"
To:
"'tanakadesigns@home.com'"
Mrs. Tanaka,
I'm sorry its taken a few days to get back to you, but I've asked some people out on San Pedro what they could find out about the Basil Jones
Resort. This information is second hand, but here is what we've found:
Gary Carlson reportedly left the project a month ago, and Adam Chandler has "disappeared." A new project director is due to arrive in the next few weeks. His name is Mike Johnson, and I was told he can be reached at:
emay62@hotmail.com
The project has 6 or 8 nearly complete buildings, but I was told that the bank has stopped lending money for construction and the builder is owed a large sum of money so he stopped work until he gets paid. The buildings and grounds are not complete, the pool has not been built, etc. It doesn't sound like it will be livable in two weeks for your trip.
I do not know the reliability of this information, but this is what they are saying on San Pedro.

Hope this helps.

Marc Nordberg
US Embassy Belize
NordbergM@state.gov

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#139682 - 11/09/01 12:23 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Carolinian Offline
Someone more familiar than I with the saga of
Adam Chandler should 1) write something up for Timesharing Today, and 2) submit the info to www.crimeshare.net , the UK-based website for exposing fraud in the timeshare business. Chandler is apparently British, so this would be quite appropriate.

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#139683 - 11/09/01 12:41 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Edd Offline
Frankly, I never thought BJR had a shot in Hell, regardless of the good/bad intentions of the developers. But, if individual owners are ready to bail out, I might consider taking a flyer on this longshot. If you would like to sell your slot at a deep discount, please email me your best and final price at ehask@airmail.net.

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#139684 - 11/09/01 05:17 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
????????????

*looking at Edd with a confused look*

You never thought it had a chance.....but now you want to buy folks out at a deep discount????

Splain Lucy!

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#139685 - 11/09/01 05:20 AM Re: Adam Chandler - let's track him down!
Sandshaker Offline
I'm closing this topic and opening a new one b/c quite frankly I'm sick of looking at Adam Chandler's name.....LOL Now two pages long.

Continue this on "State of Basil Jones"

Thanks,
Tammy

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