#213225 - 06/23/06 04:38 PM
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"The following classifications are based on the assessment of the current situation in Belize, the review of several ITU studies, and observations of the regulatory treatment of VoIP communications in other countries.
Category 1: VoIP offerings where there is no provision of service; i.e. the VoIP communication is self provided such as a software program downloaded to run on a personal computer. The VoIP communication uses the intrinsic capabilities of the public internet, i.e. it resides solely on the internet, and the user is not publicly available by means of an assigned unique telephone number
For example, a customer of a licensed internet service provider in Belize accesses a website on the internet and downloads a VoIP software programme, usually provided free of cost, onto his/her personal computer. This software programme enables the personal computer user to engage in VoIP communication. In this category, the personal computer user is not publicly available since the user does not have a unique telephone number that opens contact with the public at large. Category 1 VoIP communications does not require licensing.
Category 2: VoIP communication by users who have no specific public obligations such as corporate private networks (where VoIP is used to provide communications inside companies) and IP technologies used within a public telecommunication service provider’s core network, but which do not impinge on the retail services offered to the end-user. Category 2 VoIP communications requires licensing and the equipment used to enable the use of VoIP requires type approval.
Category 3: VoIP communication which is publicly available through a telecommunication service being provided to the end user by a service provider using VoIP technology. This VoIP enabled telecommunication service is a service available to the public (where there is access to and/or from the PSTN) for originating and receiving national and international calls through an assigned number or numbers. Category 3 VoIP communications requires licensing.
Category 3 services are further divided into two sub-classifications: (1) services marketed as secondary line services and, (2) services marketed as replacements for the traditional PSTN based call services. License obligations in reference to provision of emergency calling service, universal access, etc. may differ between the sub-classifications. Category 3(1) service providers are required to inform their customers about the limitations of their service. "
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#213226 - 06/23/06 05:11 PM
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Which means, Skype is okay. Anyone know where I can buy a headset? BTL is now reqired to 'unblock' Sykpe, is it working yet? If not call PUC 227 1176 and let them know.
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#213227 - 06/23/06 06:01 PM
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June 23 at 5:00 PM SKYPE is NOT working at all.
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#213228 - 06/23/06 06:12 PM
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SKYPE to SKYPE (computer to computer) calls are allowed. SKYPE to land line calls appear to be not allowed by my reading of this information.
That being said, only one of my SKYPE friends has been reachable at this time. All other SKYPE accounts are shown as "off line", even friends who I know have computers on cable in the US that are always on line. The SKYPE test call will not work and you can reach noone inside Belize.
Anyone else haveing any success??
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#213230 - 06/23/06 11:33 PM
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P.U.C.: VoIP verdict is fair and legal The verdict is in on VoIP and according to the Public Utilities Commission, if the service provider isn't licensed in Belize, it ain't legal. According to the P.U.C., in its attempt to categorize, classify, and legalize the popular internet protocol, it has determined that if a customer downloads software and uses it to communicate with other subscribers, that person does not require a license. One such example is the Skype. But if you register with a company like Vonage and get a telephone number where anyone can contact you that service has to be licensed here. In fact, the commission points to the application form for a high speed internet connection from Belize Telecommunications Limited where it specifically contracts customers not to use the service for voice or video communication.And while the decision is not expected to sit well with all those people who have been enjoying VoIP's cheap calls, this afternoon P.U.C. chairman Dr. Gilbert Canton maintain that customers will still have a choice in telecommunications.
Dr. Gilbert Canton, Chairman, Public Utilities Commission “The people that are out there that are using the Vonage service the way that they are using it right now are probably not going to be satisfied with the P.U.C.’s position at this point and time. In terms of how that service is affected, but we are hoping that this is just an interim situation and that the providers in Belize will start making those types of arrangements to offer a similar type of service in Belize. We are very positive in the sense that during the consultations, we know that a number of the I.S.P.s and in fact, B.T.L. has been talking about offering a similar type of service. We all recognize it might not be as cheap as Vonage but as mentioned earlier, they are not making money either. But at least it will be licensed in Belize, legal if you want to put it that way and at a rate that people will be more satisfied than using just the traditional international rates and stuff like that. We recognize that people want this type of service and we’re hoping that through this mechanism, we are opening it up so it can be offered in Belize by truly licensed providers in Belize that are playing by the rules in Belize.”
Janelle Chanona “And that way you’ll get taxes?”
Dr. Gilbert Canton “That way the benefit becomes truly a benefit to the country, in other words, government still get taxes, license fees are paid and the users out there have the economic benefit of lower rates and better access. Those kinds of issues.”
But when it comes to trying to fit technology into a legal box, Canton contends it's better to wait and watch than jump the gun.
Dr. Gilbert Canton “It’s moving so fast, you put anything in place at this point in time it might be outdated a year from now. So let’s see where it’s all going to go and then once we are certain that it’s going there then we put something in place. And most people are talking about really just coming up with one law called a convergence law, which includes telecommunication, includes broadcasting and includes all these different things. Because it’s all just becoming one thing now offered over one service.”
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#213232 - 06/24/06 10:11 AM
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Not just consumer choice. For their pocketbooks, long term. If someone in the US wants to call and make a reservation to stay at a hotel in Belize and the hotel has a Vonage number, they are cut off. BTL and GOB currently make NO MONEY on incoming calls. So why cut off your nose to spite your face? Even if they allowed incoming calls, it would make it MUCH EASIER for prospective tourists, developers, investors, etc. to get in touch with someone in Belize. But now, they will be unable to. Now, there is a way to call those persons back...via BTL. But if those persons are not reached in a timely manner, they will go elsewhere.....Panama, Costa Rica, etc.......and then BTL and the GOB will be forced to raise prices, taxes, etc., for all of those who stay here. Teenagers are supposed to want instant gratification and have very little long term sight.....I didnt know there were actually grown ups, companies, and governments with the same mentality of a 14 year old.
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#213235 - 06/24/06 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Marty: A Belize internet provider cannot create any restrictions to voice over internet (such as blocking or degradation) without informing you that they do so. . If the provider does place voice-use restrictions on your normal internet service, they must offer a “premium” service that does not have those restrictions. So nothing changes; BTL will keep blocking, as they have informed everybody in their contracts.... The only thing they have to do is create a premium account (for example at BZ$ 5,000 per month), and then they are operating according to the law.
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#213236 - 06/25/06 12:26 PM
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and I thought the phone companies in the US were greedy and spiteful...
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#213237 - 06/25/06 12:28 PM
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Quick question......is BTL able to block or interfere with Vonnage is I have satellite internet connection???
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#213242 - 06/26/06 12:50 AM
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PUC Issues VoIP Regulatory Policy and Framework Guidelines
The PUC has provided guidance on how Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) is to be treated in the context of the existing policies and legislative framework with the issuance today of its working paper, "Voice Over Internet Protocol (VoIP) Regulatory Policy and Framework Guidelines". The guidelines have been developed to move the telecommunications sector towards greater competition and choice for consumers with regard to VoIP. The PUC determined that development of the guidelines would be more effective, expedient and prudent at this time due to the changing technological and market environment that exists in telecommunications. The PUC guidance was presented at a briefing of the local media this afternoon, and has been circulated to stakeholders in the telecommunications sector. The paper is the result of extensive research, analysis, and consultation carried out by the PUC over the last two months. The PUC also took into account the information presented at the VoIP Public Forum held on April 26, 2006. Main Guidance Points The PUC considers VoIP communication to be a data service in the context of the Telecommunications Act and has specified which of the VoIP communication services require licensing by the PUC. A license ensures that service providers are subject to the provisions of the law including consumer protection, emergency calling and universal access where appropriate, license obligations and tax and license fees regimes.
2. Category 1 VoIP communication does not require a license. This VoIP communication is self-provided, where a software program is downloaded to run on a personal computer, and the end user is not publicly available by means of an assigned unique telephone number. 3. Categories of VoIP communication that require licensing by the PUC are:
(a) Category 2 which includes corporate private networks, and IP technologies that are used within a public telecommunications service provider's network but which do not impact the retail services offered to end-users.
(b) Category 3 VoIP communication which is publicly available through a service provider via an assigned telephone number. 4. Both Individual License Holders and licensed Internet Service Providers (ISPs) can offer Category 3 VoIP communication. 5. Licensed service providers are not to include any restrictions (such as blocking or degradation) of Category 1VoIP communication to any class of customer, and Category 3 VoIP communication to other licensed service providers. 6. A licensed service provider who selectively degrades or blocks third party Category 3 VoIP traffic on their networks to an end-user is to notify the customer of the existence or imposition of this service limitation so that the customer can exercise choice in service providers in this developing competitive market. 7. Service providers who offer restricted services should also offer an alternative service that does not include restrictions as an option to customers. 8. Service providers are to ensure that the terms and conditions of the service being provided are set out in the relevant Agreement or Customer Code in a transparent and easily understood manner. 9. All service agreements are to be filed with the PUC. In the paper the PUC has noted that as regulator of the sector it is required to promote reliable and affordable telecommunication services, foster increased reliance on market forces for the provision of telecommunication services, and encourage investment and innovation in the telecommunication sector.
A continuous review of the VoIP issue is expected as services develop in Belize, given the rapid development pace of technology and markets. The paper should provide further clarity on the regulatory policy position of the PUC and provide the associated guidance on how VoIP communications can be incorporated into the economic and social fabric of Belize.
(ENDS)
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#213245 - 06/26/06 08:52 AM
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Try checking your VOIP speedwith the following program: http://myvoipspeed.visualware.com/ BTL is allowing a good download speed and a very low upload speed. Web pages are OK to load but when you try to change pages it all slows down. In the past, I have only bedd able to attach one picture to an email. It used to take less than one minute to upload. Now it takes between two to three minutes. Bottom line, they have managed to block VOIP at the expense of screwing up all their other services. No body wins except Michael Ashcroft, the rich Brit, who now owns controlling interest in BTL. The money all goes off shore.
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#213246 - 06/26/06 11:40 AM
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PUC meets with BTL manana to discuss Skype and compliance with PUC decision. Call BTL chairperson Dean Boyce (cel 610 1000) and complain.
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#213248 - 06/26/06 12:58 PM
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#213249 - 06/29/06 03:49 AM
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Lots more news today... including an ISP alliance plotting their own VoIP strategy under the new PUC guidelines. http://bfic.wordpress.com My personal favorite quote from BTL: Keith Swift (Channel 7), Is BTL blocking services like Skype? Dean Boyce (Executive Chairman of BTL), “We are providing an internet service and if our system will not allow access to some certain foreign service providers, then that is not really my concern.”
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#213251 - 07/03/06 10:18 AM
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BTL made $.61 per share in 2004, $.05 per share in 2005. Looks like they are doing down the tubes until you add back the $28,000,000 they "lost" through their financial dealings (see their yearly report), then they would have made $1.05 per share. Nice increase, year to year.
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#213253 - 07/05/06 10:58 AM
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Need to know the contractual terms for the incoming calls. They may NOT be free.
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#213257 - 07/08/06 01:03 PM
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The part of this that can be enforced is the granting of new licensing to operate ISPs w/ competitive VoIP services. I would not hold your breath of any type of concessions from BTL. But I would expect that in the next 6-18mo we see a competitive ISP, combining wireless and cable connections, offering a VoIP product similar to Vonage. Stay tuned. In the meantime, users have already started to "secure" their own Skype/PCPhone/Softphone traffic. Check it out: http://bfic.wordpress.com/2006/06/27/when-the-going-gets-tough-encrypt/ Happy Calling...
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#213260 - 07/17/06 04:58 PM
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The following is a copy of an email and reply that I recieved from the President of WiFi Consulting regarding the ability to overcome blocking of VOIP's
To: support@HotSpotVPN.com Subject: Skype
"I have a condo on Abergris Caye, Belize. I have wired in DSL service. I use Skype (VOIP) for communicating with the US while in Belize. More frequently than not, Belize Telephone Limited who's lines are used for the internet connection, blocks Skype & other similar VOIP's. Will your program alleviate the problem & if so, which one of your programs would you recommend. I have Windows XP." Thanks, Al Kruebbe Peninsula Mortgage, Inc.
His Reply: Yes it works. We have a lot of customers using the service just this way. I actually did some tech support with a customer in China (I'm in Washington DC) and it sounded suprisingly good. The best sounding solution is to use a computer with a USB headset and then use hotspotVPN2, change the default hsvpn2 config from tcp to udp for better sound quality. It also allows you to take advantage of Skype's free calls to the US and Canada for the rest of the year even though Skype is limiting this to Skype calls that originate in the US.
Thank you.
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It sounds good to me. I'm going to try it when we get back down in September. Only around $8.00 per month. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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#213262 - 07/31/06 10:02 AM
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Honestly, if BTL can ignore the PUC's ruling, so can we... Lots of people in Belize are using VPN technology to "secure" their voice data streams. After receiving feedback from numerous sources, it looks like the best combination of the VPN service and VoIP client is with: http://anchorfree.com - Free SSL VPN client http://www.gizmoproject.com - VoIP client like Skype, same kind of deal adding credits to call regular phones Many folks are reporting that Skype does not work well operating over a VPN. The major reason for this is the double encryption. Skype is already encrypted in its natural state and adding a VPN to the stream really disrupts the voice quality. Use Gizmo/AnchorFree and see there is a difference for you. Keep checking back to BFIC for more news. http://bfic.wordpress.com
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#213263 - 08/11/06 09:27 AM
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I have used PublicVPN and hotspotVPN services with some success. HotspotVPN seems to be faster and more reliable, at least with SkypeOut. It also works well with Vonage, incoming and outgoing. Unfortunately, I believe our days using encryption to circumvent BTL’s blocking of VOIP services are numbered. The VPN protocols, (except for SSL) can be easily blocked. SSL VPN tunnels cannot be blocked - if they were, online banking, and indeed all online commerce would be unavailable in Belize. It is trivial however, to block access to the gateways that are used by services such as PublicVPN and HotspotVPN, and I have a feeling BTL will do this sooner, rather than later. VPN tunnels are being installed at a rapid rate, and people are talking about it. As BTL becomes aware of the number of individuals and businesses that are using this type of service, they will most certainly want to knock us off the air. I hope I am wrong, but,,,,
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#213264 - 08/11/06 10:06 AM
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BTL actually did block gateway.publicvpn.net one afternoon about a month ago. The server was confirmed available from the states, but to no one in Belize for about 6 hours. BTL has decided to fight their own customers. Until there is a viable alternative, my opionin is that we fight back. The folks at the PUC have proven to be illegitimate pawns. They spend MONTHS developing a policy that now is being IGNORED. They didn't even bother to get a commitment from BTL to honor their ridiculous ruling. People... The PUC considers their job done!?!?! Whatever. There are literaly thousands of ways to get around BTL's blocking. I propose we step through them one of one, like a chess game (with an opponent that we are paying to play). This will buy us time for new licensed competitors to get into the market with both fresh facilities and local VoIP offerings. They are coming, they will compete, and trust me BTL will sing a different tune when that happens. As for making these methods public... we aren't breaking laws. BTL IS. Until these criminals are stopped, we have to get back to business. Obscurity will let this issue die and lots of people will succomb to BTL without a means to fight. Spread the word, speak freely, fight the power http://www.bfic.org
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#213265 - 08/26/06 01:07 PM
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I hear that although it's possible to make calls over a cable connection, it may not be possible for others to call in. Is this so?
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