O !!! I thought you looked familiar!!!

Very far left and/or very far right!

could have been either, but he was far right. I lean right in very many cases, so this pissed me off even more.

I agree, that would [#%!] me off even more!!!!

I got scrambled and you didn't Otter. Let me try again :"pissed"

reaper responded to your error about your candidate's position on torture and I could point you to cites providing responses from McCain or his staff which mirror every one of the facetious statements I quoted. However, as you don't seem to have much interest in or knowledge of the facts, they aren't likely to change your opinions on anything. If I may be so bold, might I suggest a bit less television and a bit more research?

Yes L-A I did research:

April 08 McCain spoke to the Associated Press

“I’ve made it very clear, I’ve made it very clear in my statements and in my support of the Detainee Treatment Act, the Geneva Conventions, etc., that there may be some additional techniques to be used, but none of those would violate the Geneva Conventions, the Detainee Treatment Act…And we cannot ever, in my view, torture any American, that includes waterboarding. “

The previous February McCain did vote for H.R. 2080, what every body touts as him voting for torture, but what no one says is that H.R. 2080 was an appropriation bill for fiscal year 2008 for intelligence and intelligence related activities. It funded:

TITLE I--BUDGET AND PERSONNEL AUTHORIZATIONS
SEC. 101. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
Funds are hereby authorized to be appropriated for fiscal year 2008 for the conduct of the intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the following elements of the United States Government:
(1) The Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
(2) The Central Intelligence Agency.
(3) The Department of Defense.
(4) The Defense Intelligence Agency.
(5) The National Security Agency.
(6) The Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, and the Department of the Air Force.
(7) The Coast Guard.
(8) The Department of State.
(9) The Department of the Treasury.
(10) The Department of Energy.
(11) The Department of Justice.
(12) The Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(13) The Drug Enforcement Administration.
(14) The National Reconnaissance Office.
(15) The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
(16) The Department of Homeland Security.

He was voting for the funding for fiscal year 2008 not for torture as he said in his AP speech. I know Reaper and you have a different interpretation, but I believe McCain.

PS: I really like your new signature!

Reaper and I do not hold a "different interpretation." We stated fact. McCain has changed his position and voted to permit the torture of human beings. All you have to do is look at his votes, not the spin he now tries to put on them.

McCain started out well-intentioned. In October 2005 he introduced an amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill for 2005. That month, the U.S. Senate voted 90-9 to support the amendment, commonly referred to as the Amendment on the Army Field Manual and Cruel, Inhumane, Degrading Treatment (also known as the McCain Amendment). It became the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 as Title X of the Department of Defense Authorization Bill and prohibited inhumane treatment of prisoners, including those at Guantanamo Bay, by confining interrogations to the techniques in the Army Field Manual.

On December 15, 2005, Bush announced that he accepted McCain's terms; however, in a signing statement Bush reserved what he claimed as “Presidential constitutional authority” to avoid further terrorist attacks through means which might contradict the bill he had just signed. Thereafter, McCain continued to assert that US military in future wars would suffer for abuses committed in 2006 by the US in the name of fighting terrorism. He argued that his rival bill to Bush’s plan would give defendants access to classified evidence being used to convict them and would set tight limits on use of testimony obtained by coercion. He rejected Bush’s plan to more narrowly define Geneva Convention standards for humane treatment of prisoners.

Then, in September of 2006 McCain changed sides. He attempted to negotiate what he viewed as “a compromise.” He proposed suspending habeas corpus provisions for anyone deemed an "unlawful enemy combatant" and barring them from challenging their detentions in court. His proposal would give retroactive, 9-year immunity to U.S. officials who authorized, ordered, or committed acts of torture and abuse, and then permitted the use of statements obtained through torture in military tribunals, as long as the abuse had occurred prior to the end of 2005. He proposed that, instead of adhering to the Geneva Convention, the President be permitted to establish what interrogation techniques were appropriate and would allow the President to "interpret the meaning and application" of international Geneva Convention standards - the only limit being that the coercion had to fall short of "serious" bodily or psychological injury. Bush signed McCain’s bill into law in October of 2006.

Again in September of 2007 McCain voted against restoring habeas corpus to detainees. In October of 2007 he said waterboarding is not a "complicated procedure - it is torture." Yet in February of this year he voted against HR 2082, which included provisions that would have prevented the CIA from waterboarding prisoners. Then his campaign personnel tried the same tact you now attempt, saying the bill wasn't a vote on torture. It might have contained other topics, but any way you want to slice it - McCain voted to permit the torture of other human beings at the hands of the US government.

So in your view, as long as it's not Americans who are being treated inhumanley, you have no problem with the abuse of human beings at the hands of the US government? That is McCain's position - even according to the quote you cite above. But hey, let's not beat the puppys!!! Sorry, I am not impressed - not with you or your candidate.

p.s.??? WTF? So you like the concept of peace and love but don't think it's really worth putting into practice?