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#296993 - 09/05/08 10:52 AM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: jesse]
pugwash Offline
They haven't done either so far, have they?

See you soon at Crazy Canucks smile
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#296997 - 09/05/08 11:26 AM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: pugwash]
jhill123 Offline
And you'll also notice that Hillary is not the candidate for either office.
As far as sending women to counter Palin, seems like strategy to me, that way, it can't be argued that the arguments are sexist. I am looking forward to the VP debates, Biden v Palin(tutored by Lieberman). And it's no accident that Palin has retired back to Alaska to get up to speed on the rest of the world. She has no depth in world affairs.
From everything I've read, Biden was picked because of his internation experience, which he has a lot of.
And as far as out of context, the Gore and Kerry memes were repeated constantly during the last 2 elections, there was no out of context there.

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#297003 - 09/05/08 12:01 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: jesse]
jhill123 Offline
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Good point

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#297004 - 09/05/08 12:05 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: jhill123]
Bobber Offline
"She seems vindictive and petty in her dealings with those around her, and will punish those who disagree. Not quality traits if you're looking for the best advice in a tense situation. She tends to lie a lot, about details small and large. And quite honestly, really has no experience"

Hillary? laugh

Oooops, Pug beat me to it. smile


Edited by Bobber (09/05/08 12:06 PM)
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#297009 - 09/05/08 12:16 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: azbob]
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Originally Posted By: azbob
Most of us have already made up our minds, so we are exchanging "opinions" to influence who?


Actually, I haven't made up my mind. Pre-Palin I had decided to vote Barr. But at this moment, I'm completely up in the air about what to do.

I hate McCain. There are personal reasons aside from the obvious disagreements I have with his politics and policy decisions. (If you need to know more about why, you can check out my website for more info. Sneaky immoral bastard).

If I vote for him, it will be with the hope that his ticker kicks out before too long into the presidency. It would also be with the hope that Palin can in fact stand up to the Republican puppet-masters, not to side blindly with the dems as McCain is known to do, but to buck the big-government interests of both parties.

There is no way my vote is going to Obama. Being a small business owner, I can't afford his promised tax hikes but I also know his social aspirations and promised new government agencies will continue to bankrupt the country.

So what do I do? Vote for Barr, who is also a flawed candidate but supposedly stands for the principles I match most closely to? or vote for McCain with the hope he won't be President for long.

http://jasonsouthwell.com/post/39823285/history-of-the-nv-convention-fiasco


Edited by deadserious (09/05/08 12:19 PM)

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#297023 - 09/05/08 12:45 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: Rykat]
Leah-Ann Offline
Originally Posted By: Rykat
Where is your spirit of sisterhood, LA? wink
I love my sisters to death - but I don't agree with their politics either. wink
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#297029 - 09/05/08 01:00 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: Leah-Ann]
sweetjane Offline
nicely put, LA! laugh

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#297033 - 09/05/08 01:06 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: jhill123]
pugwash Offline
Originally Posted By: jhill123
there was no out of context there.

Of course it was out of context...I deliberately made it so to illustrate the point !

I'm pretty confident that while you did not mean or feel that Gore was a liar or Kerry was a fake, I was able to post a quote from you that 100% accurate in which you stated that they in fact were.

Using omission or taking words out of context are tools that are commonly used by both sides, and are just as wrong whomever is guilty.

Interesting to see that you feel the exact same words when used about Hillary don't matter now she is no longer a candidate?

Could this be any sort of indication of zealotry as opposed to open mindedness smile
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#297036 - 09/05/08 01:16 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: pugwash]
sweetjane Offline
pug, your point is a good one. spin is rampant and dangerous.

but, like her or not, hillary had some washington & international experience where palin does not. (not to mention pro-choice, offered to attempt to fix my healthcare fiasco & believes in scientfic fact) that leaves her with just charisma and a sense of business-fashion.

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#297114 - 09/05/08 03:26 PM Re: Bringing About Change [Re: sweetjane]
jhill123 Offline
I don't care that you took words out of context, as those are typical right wing smear tactics, ie., Obama thinks Iraq is a little problem. I've gotten over that a long time ago. No reason to take McSames words wrong, he's on record and the entire speech is what buries his statements.

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