When Obama first announced that he was going to bring “Change” I was not sure I could believe him, but I have to admit he was correct.

As we must all be aware of by now, there is nothing more than a big game of political chess that is enacting itself before the eyes of anyone who cares to look, or in fact who is not resolute enough to look away, and last week I thought we were close to "Check Mate", but evidently not?

When faced with the chance to close out the game, instead of picking Hillary for the VP spot, he chose a 36 year Washington Insider, in the hopes that “Scrappy Joe from Scranton” (their words, not mine), would help gather votes in the swing states of Ohio and Michigan.

McCain must have wondered what he had done to deserve such a opportunity: had Obama gone with Hillary, then Lieberman would most likely have been co opted to the Republican ticket in a last ditch effort to swing middle of the road and undecideds McCain's way, but when an opening he may well end up flying Air Force One through came his way , he took it and countered with Palin.

Just as there will be some who will not consider that the most liberal and the 3rd most liberal Senators in Washington will be able to unite the country, those who hate everything Republican will never see anything good about the choice?

What others see though, is a masterstroke: A woman who looks and sounds like many Americans, with a normal family and normal problems, but who will never be thought of, much less portray herself, as a victim!

This is the "Change" that Obama has indeed brought about, and the last time I remember the conservative base this excited was back in Reagans time: When asked to identify themselves, approximately 60% of voters designated Conservative and only 40% Liberal, so it will be interesting to see how things play out now the apathy is fading a little?

Perhaps when the phone rings at 3.00am in the White House, they prefer someone who will answer with something other than "Present"

The last time the left attack machine was this fired up about a minority achieving something without the aid of a Government Program was when that uppity Clarance Thomas went and got hisef nominated , and the very idea that Palin could achieve anything without conforming to the Gloria Steinem model or the Naral platform is just too much for some comrades to deal with They really do get upset when someone breaks ranks!

Heres the good/bad news depending how you feel: Most people find Palin likable!

Bush was elected in part because no one wanted to hear Kerry drone for 4 years or Gore talk about himself! Obamas success is due more to his personality than any achievement or policy statement he's made, and the only reason Hillary is not the candidate is the huge number of men who would gnaw though their own arm rather than face the prospect of waking up with her: Sarah Palin has a lot of things about her that both men and women admire, even if they may not be the same things

It may not be “fair” but its true

The media with few exceptions have now decided that its their duty to attack and destroy this woman as objective reporting may not ensure that their candidate wins, so the next few weeks should be so harmonious and pleasant both on the ACMB and in the Real World, or at least what passes for it these days !

Yes, we have to thank o for finally bringing the "change" he was promising: Governor Palin!!!! She hit a home run last night with her speech. I've never watched a VP debate, but I'm not going to miss this one. Obiden better have his pads on to go toe to toe with this intellegent LADY!
OK, left you can slime up the monitor now!

I think we should just let you guys stroke each other......no comment from this left guy....enjoy your own thread!

Two great speeches in a row. What a night!

What if Obama nominated someone with Palin's credentials? The Bill O's and Rush's of the world would have had a field day!
Even the Republican pundits are worried.
McCain is Sourdough and Palin is Rye. You want that toast buttered????

Gov. Palin can come in and take pot shots at Obama easily. That's why Governors get elected President, because there is no voting record in the senate to review.

Give most of us a state to run with 660,000 residents and a nice oil and gas tax base and strong tourism industry and we would look good also.

I'll take Obama's education and insight and Biden's experience over "GWB II" and and a moose hunting hockey mom anyday.

This is like a movie. The small town girl becomes leader of the free world and uses her homespun charm to rally the world and sing songs.

"Northern Exposure" meets "Commander in Chief"

We're at a crisis in this nation right now. Aren't you guys paying attention??????????

Reaper, don't forget she is a "hockey Mom"! I think you should recruit her! I know you are going to vote for o and o and I'm going to vote for Mc & Pal. Most of us have already made up our minds, so we are exchanging "opinions" to influence who? What the heck, we're having fun!

mrs. reaper is the only "hockey mom" I need telling me what to do!

reaper, I understand that. I was a wrestling "Dad"!

Another of your witty and insightful retorts Jesse: perhaps when someone else in the brotherhood of the 4th estate writes an at least thoughtful response you could post that?

Although by a stroke of pure luck you are actually right for a change

Thoughtful? Thoughtful? Slant is slant....try being objective....if you are capable of that.

In all fairness, I don't know that any of us can be "objective" regarding something we've already made our minds up about. What it all boils down to is where you want to see the US head over the next couple of years. At this point I'm in favor of almost any direction that marks a step away from where we've been going for the last 8.

The difference between a Hockey Mom and a Pit Bull is Lipstick. (her words not mine)

thought you said no comment? Typical lying liberal.

Where is your spirit of sisterhood, LA?

I am very challenged by the consistently hateful language and divisive tone that you use to express yourself. It is clear that this is not unintentional-what I can't seem to wrap my mind around is why?
Is this a joke that you and your friends have that maybe some of us are just not privy to? I'm sure there is a method to your madness-please elaborate so the rest of us can be in on this joke too.
Thanks

i did note pug's original post was exactly at 4:20!

pug: boy was i thinking of you when she talked of "laying pipeine"

seriously, she gave a great speech, and i like her too...be swell to sit and have a wine spritzer/cosmo (hockey mom drinks) and a chat with her...but i do NOT want her running my country or guiding it's policies. feminists for life? doesn't believe in evolution? climate change denier? come on! is this 1970?

if something happens to mccain (obviously not a young man without past health issues), she will be leading this country with no foreign policy experience as we head closer & closer to severely pi$$ing russia & n korea off, and who-knows-what in afghanistan, pakistan & iran.

to me, she not unlike obama...they are attractive (relative to other politicians) articulate well and have charisma. but does that make for a great political leader?

Now whats that old saying from Psalms?....out of the mouths of babes and sucklings........

Not that I mean to infer...... well anyway, in a round about way, SJ is making my point!

Rather than campaigning for a job that is a "heartbeat" away, the Democrat good looking well spoken but no experience candidate is after the big job, but that's OK because GWB, who (newsflash here, is not running this time duh) is Satan?

Over the past 6 months there have been numerous attempts to try and discuss issues, and they invariably deteriorate into name calling and personal attacks.

That is who we have become as a nation, unfortunately?

Forgive B&G for trying to keep up with the rest of the nonsense in some(most) of these posts. I'll just go hide now(or bend over) and let the left have their way with me!
I'm way behind in sarcasm too!
But I do believe in the direct approach.

Where did you copy the original post from?
Some, not all, people find Palin likeable before they know her. After though, is another story. She seems vindictive and petty in her dealings with those around her, and will punish those who disagree. Not quality traits if you're looking for the best advice in a tense situation. She tends to lie a lot, about details small and large. And quite honestly, really has no experience, and saying she was a mayor is really the thinnest reason in the world. It was a city of 5,000 people. She is however, the queen of pork as she managed to get $27M for the town, and incidently, left it in debt when she left.
Bush was elected because a persona was created of him that was in direct conflict with his actual personality. He's a rancher in Texas, but hates horses (the ranch was bought just before he started running for pres). He's someone you'd want to have a beer with (an untreated alcoholic with a mean streak). Gore was a liar (distortion of statements and flat out lies perpetuated by the media). Kerry was a fake (demonstrabley false 'swift-boat attacks).

See how easy it is to take things out of context?

English is a wonderful language, even when attempted by those who do not seem to have a great command of it: If it was copied, It wouldn't have been an original post would it?

Is there something you would like to say, or are innuendos and slights all you have to offer?

And by the way, if Palin is so bad, why is Obama sending every woman he can find out to the battleground states to counter her influence? Just a question that will probably either not be answered or countered with more vitriol?

Look for Biden to develop a mystery illness or have "personal problems" that lead to Hilliary's re emergence as VP candidate....

But speaking of Hillary......
This sounded familiar

They haven't done either so far, have they?

See you soon at Crazy Canucks

And you'll also notice that Hillary is not the candidate for either office.
As far as sending women to counter Palin, seems like strategy to me, that way, it can't be argued that the arguments are sexist. I am looking forward to the VP debates, Biden v Palin(tutored by Lieberman). And it's no accident that Palin has retired back to Alaska to get up to speed on the rest of the world. She has no depth in world affairs.
From everything I've read, Biden was picked because of his internation experience, which he has a lot of.
And as far as out of context, the Gore and Kerry memes were repeated constantly during the last 2 elections, there was no out of context there.

Good point

"She seems vindictive and petty in her dealings with those around her, and will punish those who disagree. Not quality traits if you're looking for the best advice in a tense situation. She tends to lie a lot, about details small and large. And quite honestly, really has no experience"

Hillary?

Oooops, Pug beat me to it.

Actually, I haven't made up my mind. Pre-Palin I had decided to vote Barr. But at this moment, I'm completely up in the air about what to do.

I hate McCain. There are personal reasons aside from the obvious disagreements I have with his politics and policy decisions. (If you need to know more about why, you can check out my website for more info. Sneaky immoral bastard).

If I vote for him, it will be with the hope that his ticker kicks out before too long into the presidency. It would also be with the hope that Palin can in fact stand up to the Republican puppet-masters, not to side blindly with the dems as McCain is known to do, but to buck the big-government interests of both parties.

There is no way my vote is going to Obama. Being a small business owner, I can't afford his promised tax hikes but I also know his social aspirations and promised new government agencies will continue to bankrupt the country.

So what do I do? Vote for Barr, who is also a flawed candidate but supposedly stands for the principles I match most closely to? or vote for McCain with the hope he won't be President for long.

http://jasonsouthwell.com/post/39823285/history-of-the-nv-convention-fiasco

I love my sisters to death - but I don't agree with their politics either.

nicely put, LA!

Of course it was out of context...I deliberately made it so to illustrate the point !

I'm pretty confident that while you did not mean or feel that Gore was a liar or Kerry was a fake, I was able to post a quote from you that 100% accurate in which you stated that they in fact were.

Using omission or taking words out of context are tools that are commonly used by both sides, and are just as wrong whomever is guilty.

Interesting to see that you feel the exact same words when used about Hillary don't matter now she is no longer a candidate?

Could this be any sort of indication of zealotry as opposed to open mindedness

pug, your point is a good one. spin is rampant and dangerous.

but, like her or not, hillary had some washington & international experience where palin does not. (not to mention pro-choice, offered to attempt to fix my healthcare fiasco & believes in scientfic fact) that leaves her with just charisma and a sense of business-fashion.

I don't care that you took words out of context, as those are typical right wing smear tactics, ie., Obama thinks Iraq is a little problem. I've gotten over that a long time ago. No reason to take McSames words wrong, he's on record and the entire speech is what buries his statements.

I guess the fact that when you raise an issue and I answer it in a non partisan way, your response is more name calling and ranting pretty much answers the first question I posed

Talking to yourself, about yourself.

So, how is the weather on AC today?

If you don't even understand how questions and answers work, how are we ever going to be able to explain politics to you?

pst, H20dog, that's you...I'm talking to you? wake up !!!!

Your assumption of my abilities bears absolutely no relevance to my response. You enjoy directing traffic to your benefit...but it was a clever way to sling one of your well known arrogant self righteous slurs. (1) you will never be able to explain politics to me....it was my major in college. (2) I would try to explain it to you....but I don't have the rest of my life. We all understand spin, cherry picking, and selective topicing. You're an expert at it.

Have you considered asking for refund of your tuition?

Nice to be considered an expert at something though, it sounds so much nicer than "Wanker!"

Thank You

Pug - I damn near blew beer out my nose. LMAO

You're so predictable Pug...and you're a lot of things ......but not a Wanker. See ya on the beach.

H2O - i would like to know if you can verify that fact?

Are we all aboard the USS Ship of Fools?

I sure nuff hope not.

--You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
--You couldn't become chief of surgery afer 143 days of experience being a surgeon
--You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
--You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after 143 days of experience.
--You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience

BUT...

--From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the time he announced he wsa forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
--That is how many days the Senate was in session and actually working.
--After 143 days of work experience, Obama believes he is ready to be Commander in Chief, Leader of the Free World?

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that is all it is - a start.
We would not accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with this for the President of the United States of America?

so, how is the weather on AC today?

gorgeous. just spent the past 2 hours in the tropical breeze commenting on passing clouds, the shape of the moon and how many stars are visible.

Wish you were here!

Wish I was down there too, stretched out on the beach next to one of you beautiful women whispering sweet politics in your ear! :-)

Laurie Mar- Your state is already decided. Your vote won't count.....but just in case you need to know his real experience.
He spent 7 years in the Illinois Senate. He's been a US Senator for 3 years and 10 months. Where'd you get your facts? Not even the RNC has lied about that....must have been Limbaugh!

Did you happen to actually read the words before you snapped back?


Well I got it figured out, and I wasn't even a Poly Sci Major

If you READ my post Pug you will note I did not reference the specifics of the post. I referenced his experience. He was a senator in Illinois for 7 years. He was a US senator for 810 days before starting an "exploratory committee". He didn't quit being a senator during those 810 days and he didn't stop being a senator once he formed an "exploratory committee".
My last statement is where did you get your facts? Pretty plain English. My search found nothing to verify the 143 day assertion. I even checked the RNC website. Lay off the Rum Pug...it's blurring your vision.

Pug- I found Laurie's source....the web address is revealing (www.gopusa.com).....and no links associated to verify truth or fiction! Spin at its best!

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=707

Where his favorite vote was "present". So experience as a state senator, no experience taking a stand on issues.




You both are wrong. He was sworn in to the US senate on 1/4/2005 and he started his exploratory committee on 1/17/2007.

That is 740 days by my count. Still two years of experience? hmmm... I'll take two years of executive experience over two years of legaslative experience for a CEO position.

I just want to know: executive experience in WHAT? deciding where the first stoplight was gonna go? Neither are very experienced in terms of executive experience and neither have any real foreign policy experience to speak of - but seriously, at least Obama can and has pointed to some actual accomplishments. So far all I know about Palin is that she wears lipstick. OK - so she was governor for almost a year and a half - what did she DO?????

She got herself nominated vor V.P.

Let's not assume Palin has a MBA....her job was to sign or veto....no "experience" necessary. Obama reviewed and approved or dis-approved budgets etc on a daily basis...both as a state senator and US senator. (2) If we want to look at voting records of McCain we can do that next, including his "present" votes...there is a reason that is done......and the last time I checked he was running for president, not Palin.

On Palin, it is obvious she is where she is because of ability...not experience....and if that is true for Palin...it is also true for Obama. He beat out Hillary didn't he?

As far as experience in Public office, Obama is miles ahead of Palin...but again he is not running against her...he's running against McCain. In that respect McCain has seniority, or experience...however you want to call it.

actually, it would be her anatomy that accomplished that little feat, papashine, even the republicans have been honest about that.

If John McCain is in Iraq while the Senate is in session is he marked as "present", or "absent".

I am canadian by birth, I've watched many presidential elections in my day, having said this I must say it is all a little bit perplexing to me, example.. who the hell is Palin? how did she ever get nominated for V.P. of the USA? What the hell are the republicans thinking? Is it just tit for tat or do they really think she is a number one choice? Splainittome please.

I think I've seen this show before!

In 2004 4 out of 10 votes (for Bush) came from female christian conservatives, i.e. Right to Life votes. Hillary's votes are up for grabs (female). If you were McCain, and behind in the polls what would you look for in a VP?