reaper, I echo your sentiments. I do find it interesting that what you said differs little from what I said, yet the reactions are entirely different - makes one wonder exactly what it is people are reacting to??
Yes, the US has things in its history of which to be proud - also things of which to be ashamed, just like most anywhere else. I too am glad I live in the US; if I wasn't I would move somewhere else - there is nothing binding me to the US other than my desire to be here. But what often doesn't get said, or even recognized, is that the US isn't some distinct entity which operates on its own - the US is us
collectively. So when there are bad decisions or abuses or harm done to others, we all bear some responsibility for that. Same goes for the good done by the US.
We all want/need something to believe in.....right/wrong/mis-quoted or mis-read...
Even if something isn't correct it is still nice to see people rally around something uplifting...
Really, dcg? I think I know you well enough to know that you don't really mean as long as it unites us accuracy and honesty don't matter. My point is if you want to rally around something good done by your country, why do you have to make something up or exaggerate? Why not be proud of actual accomplishments? Citizens of the US don't need pithy retorts never actually spoken and credited to someone on behalf of US citizens to have something to be proud of. There are legitimate acts of which they can be proud.
Otter, you and I don't agree on politics and probably never will. However, I am becoming increasingly puzzled by your fading ability to accuratly read an opposing viewpoint and respond to it with respect. The US might not have sought to colonize Japan, but you and I both know the US did damage in other ways. Again, my point was not that the US is a horrible country that has done only horrible things. My point is just the opposite - why make up stuff to be proud of? Why not cite legitimate accomplishments? Is that the conclusion I made which you find unwarranted? Or is it my statement that US actions in other countries are motivated by self-interest?
Bobber, you often make a comment after something I post which I don't take to be a direct response to my post. That is certainly the case here, as I know you didn't read me to say it is self absorbed for Americans to be a proud of their country.
Dutch, being a patriot and patriotism are not the same thing. I doubt that many know what the word patriotism actually entails. Sometime for fun take a look at where that word comes from - and I'm not talking present day usage. As I am every bit as American as you, I still enjoy the freedom to "look down my nose" at whomever I choose. However, for the record, I wasn't looking down my nose at you. I think the sentiments you sought to bring about in your initial post are admirable. My point was that I just don't think you need inaccurate and/or false quotes to accomplish that goal. I specifically said I didn't think you knew the quotes weren't accurate - you simply passed on something you read elsewhere.
Now you want to propose that I had to be present when the other statements in those quotes were allegedly made to show that the quotes aren't accurate? You're teasing, right? Again, all I'm suggesting is that if you want to encourage others to rally around something -anything - do a very tiny bit of research to verify its legitimacy. It's not that hard, really and it vastly improves credibility.
No "lumps" or "slams" are being handed out here. I just think that with this topic, as with any other, it serves us all much better to be accurate and honest.