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#314300 - 12/10/08 03:46 PM Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire".
Peter Jones Offline

#314336 - 12/10/08 09:14 PM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Peter Jones]
skippy Offline
We do not have a long way to go, Peter.

It is they who have a long way to go.

I hope that someday we can put aside our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

#314365 - 12/11/08 01:14 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: skippy]
Peter Jones Offline
It's worrying that there are people who think like this, possibly millions of them.

#314368 - 12/11/08 01:55 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Peter Jones]
Bobber Offline
Chairman of the society of Muslim Lawyers. That explains a lot.
Been there, done that, the washing machine ate the T-shirt

#314377 - 12/11/08 03:09 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Peter Jones]
Rykat Offline
F, Islam and F, the Secularists! mad
GOP - The Party of Lincoln.

#314383 - 12/11/08 03:30 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Rykat]
H20dog Offline
So much for the Constitution and religious freedom.

#314411 - 12/11/08 03:09 PM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: H20dog]
Bobber Offline
Are you refering to the religious freedom references in the US constitution? How does that apply to this guy?

I wonder if he is going to sue Christians, or just blow them up. What a quandry he must be in.
Been there, done that, the washing machine ate the T-shirt

#314460 - 12/11/08 09:32 PM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Bobber]
Otteralum Offline
"Every Christian has a responsibility to protect his family from the misguidance of Ramadan, because its observance will lead to hellfire. Protect your Heaven from being taken away – protect yourself and your family from Ramadan."

Hmmmm. how would the press be any diffrent if Rick Warren said this.......?
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#314485 - 12/12/08 12:03 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Otteralum]
Leah-Ann Offline
Rick Warren might not have said that, but he's made awfully similar comments:
HANNITY: Am I advocating something dark, evil or something righteous [by saying we should kill Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad]?

WARREN: Well, actually, the Bible says that evil cannot be negotiated with. It has to just be stopped. And I believe…

HANNITY: By force?

WARREN: Well, if necessary. In fact, that is the legitimate role of government. The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers. Not good-doers. Evildoers.

I have heard very similar comments from more than one "evangelical" pulpit . . .

personally, I don't have a problem with another religion saying they are the "only way" - most of mainstream Christianity has taught that for a very long time.

Is it at all possible that actions like this are a more accurate reflection of the attitudes of most followers of Islam?
I can never remember which is better . . . safe? . . . or sorry?

#314496 - 12/12/08 02:16 AM Re: Christmas is "the pathway to hellfire". [Re: Leah-Ann]
Otteralum Offline
Very different Leah-Ann. One is a pronouncement against partaking in religious traditions outside of one's faith and the other is speaking out against a head of state that has called all Jews "pigs" and is developing nuclear weapons with the likely intent to wipe another nation "off the map." I don't particularly like either confrontational stand from religious leaders -- but they are very different regardless.

As for your link...
"from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Iraq."

I admire these grand ayatollahs and moftis -- good for them!

However, were they representative of at least 50% of the world's Muslims, I'd be even more impressed. This country list is not very "diverse" in the sense they have long had peaceful relationships between religious communities not part of a theocracy. Even Syria isn't very surprising when one considers this criteria.

If I saw something similar from the grand ayatollah's of Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and countless others with horrible records on peaceful attitudes toward religious pluralism we'd be saying something.

I am proud that churches, synagogues, and temples of all kinds can be built in the world's largest historically Christian countries and across all continents where Christianity thrives. Can the same be said for most Islamic nations?
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