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#317404 - 01/07/09 06:26 AM Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh
skippy Offline
But Peter says it's all Israel's fault! Obama, Israel, at least Hamas doesn't have anything to do with it.


CAIRO, Egypt – Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader lashed out at President-elect Barack Obama in a new audio message Tuesday, accusing him of not doing anything to stop Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, according to an intelligence monitoring center.

The recording purportedly by Ayman al-Zawahiri was al-Qaida's first comments on the Gaza crisis since Israel launched its offensive against the Islamic militants of Hamas on Dec. 27.

In the comments, which were posted on a militant Web site and obtained by the SITE Monitoring Service, al-Zawahiri described Israel's actions in Gaza as a "crusade against Islam and Muslims" and called it "Obama's gift to Israel" before he takes office later this month.

"This is Obama whom the American machine of lies tried to portray as the rescuer who will change the policy of America," al-Zawahiri said, according to SITE. "He kills your brothers and sisters in Gaza mercilessly and without affection."

Al-Zawahiri, who is Egyptian, also criticized Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, calling him a "traitor" for keeping Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip closed since Hamas seized power.

You can't please everyone
I hope that someday we can put aside our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

#317408 - 01/07/09 08:49 AM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: skippy]
Peter Jones Offline
Originally Posted By: skippy
But Peter says it's all Israel's fault

I have never said that. Read what I wrote more carefully. I said that IMO the situation can only be resolved by Israel, which is not the same thing at all.

#317431 - 01/07/09 03:24 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Peter Jones]
Danny2 Offline

Just another distraction from the real issue.

#317439 - 01/07/09 03:51 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Danny2]
Danny2 Offline

Adolf Merckle, one of Germany’s wealthiest men, committed suicide after weeks of talks with creditors designed to save his businesses from being consumed by disastrous investments and the global financial crisis.

The billionaire, 74, was said by his family to have been “broken” by the sight of his business empire, which ranged from pharmaceuticals to cement, crumbling. He died on Monday evening, apparently hit by a train a few hundred metres from his home in southern Germany.

#317453 - 01/07/09 04:55 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Danny2]
skippy Offline
Way to stay on topic. By your silence on the matter you obviously agree with Al-Qaida that Obama is to blame. Not a nice thing to think about our president.
I hope that someday we can put aside our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

#317470 - 01/07/09 05:21 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: skippy]
Danny2 Offline


CHICAGO -- Real-estate executive Steven L. Good was found dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound Monday in his Jaguar in a forest preserve outside Chicago, said the Kane County Sheriff's Department.
[Image of Steven Good] Newscom

Steven L. Good

Mr. Good, 52 years old, was chief executive of Sheldon Good & Co., one of the nation's largest real-estate auction firms. His father founded the company in 1965.

#317471 - 01/07/09 05:25 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Danny2]
Ernie B Offline
And ?
Gun Control is Hitting Your Target.

#317504 - 01/07/09 07:19 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Danny2]
Rykat Offline
and....................................WTFC? crazy
GOP - The Party of Lincoln.

#317505 - 01/07/09 07:21 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Ernie B]
Peter Jones Offline
Many people whose lives revolved around money have been deeply hit by the present crisis. Interestingly, when Merckle killed himself he still had more than a billion dollars, enough for most people to scrape by on.

As for President-elect Obama, of course he's not responsible for Israel's actions. In the longer term the USA does need to reassess its relationship with Israel (not necessarily change it, but certainly re-evaluate it) but Senator Obama is technically still powerless and couldn't do anything even if he wanted.

Silence on an issue means just that - silence. Maybe the person is away from his computer, maybe he has other things on his mind, maybe he just doesn't want to post on that topic, yet or at all. It can't be construed as accepting one or the other side.

#317545 - 01/07/09 09:31 PM Re: Gaza II: Al-Qaida No. 2 blames Obama for Gaza figh [Re: Peter Jones]
Casa Paradise Offline
Israel has been attacked by countries who outnumber and surround them for years. They have had civilian areas indisciminately attacked through suicide bombers, missiles being fired, armed attacks on foot, not to mention the many wars where sovereign nations have tried to put the Israelis into the sea. To retaliate is only natural.
On the matter of the land being inhabited by the Jews before the Arabs, that is a fact. The muslim faith has many of their holy sites built on old Jewish sites. Their religion was founded by their spiritual leaders like Muhammad destroying a Jewish temple and replacing it with the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The Israeli's only want a small sliver of land as their own. They have time and time again shown their willingness to give up all but a small land area for peace. One week after the 6 day war, Israel put forth an offer to give back all of land captured for normalized relations with the Arab League nations. They refused. The Arab Initiative was to follow the 3 No's. No negotiation with Israel, No recognition of Israel, and No peace with Israel. Arafat was subsequently offered nearly 98.5% of the land that the Arabs claim as their own along with many other concessions. He refused, walked away from the table and began the second intifada which was nothing more than tons of suicide bombers blowing themselves up in Jewish coffee shops, buses, and religious sites. Many in the moderate Arab world silently chastised Arafat for ruining the best chance of peace in the history of the region.
Peter Jones, your remarks have shown your antisemitism become more and more apparent as the debate continues. Do you really think that attacks on civilian Jewish sites worldwide are a justified reaction. Hmmmmmm

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