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Sugar Caye Development proudly announces its plans to develop a new subdivision in San Pedro Town for local residents. To be situated next to the DFC Area, this subdivision will be unlike many others since the filled lots will equipped with water and electrical service installed prior to sales. To avoid a need for a large amount of dredging, a canal system will be used to provide the majority of the fill required, Sugar Caye Development sees the importance of connecting these lots of Belize Water Service's sewage system; eliminating the need for septic tanks. The proposed subdivision area has suffered a large loss of mangrove forests due to other previous developments in the surrounding area, because of this, Sugar Caye Development intends to plant over 45,000 new mangrove trees in the existing and new canal system to replenish the mangroves previously lost. In this effort, Sugar Caye Development will use the professional expertise of Bob Riley of Mangrove.org. In the mid 1990's, Riley began research in mangrove ecosystems and into the failure modes that ubiquitously characterized mangrove restoration projects. He ultimately developed methodologies for the successful long-term establishment of mangroves in non-native environments and his research findings have been published inepter-review journals. Mangroves will be planted to provide a natural buffer and his expertise will be highly instrumental in the replanting project for Sugar Caye Development. Mr. Frank Panton, chief hydraulic engineer, is spearheading the subdivision effort. Panton received his degree from the International Institute for Hydraulic and Enviornment Engineering and is recognized for his work with the National Emergency Management Organization (NEMO) but is also well known for his expertise as it relates to water resources engineering. Panton will be working closely with Riley but will also be consulting with the following organizations: San Pedro Town Council, Brooksmith Consulting (Aquatic Ecology Consultants), World Wildlife Fund (WWF), NOAA Coastal Service Center, Forestry Department, Environmental Department, Ministry of Works, Belize Water Service Limited (BWS), Belize Electricity Limited (BEL), Health Department and Guadalupe Rosado (Coral Reef Alliance, San Pedro Junior College). Sugar Caye Development has worked hand in hand with the San Pedro Town Council who assisted in gathering all information required for permits. Sugar Caye Development has worked with the Department of Environment and an Environmental Compliance Plan has been approved along with other necessary permits. Work is set to commence soon and as such Sugar Caye Development asks t he kind cooperation from island residents. The road leading to the San Pedro Marina has been continuously used as a garbage dump illegally and on an ongoing basis. As such it is requested that everyone restrains from dumping garbage in that area. A clean up campaign in that area is being organized and any person that would like to volunteer to help can contact Frank Panton at 667-7745. Ambergris Today
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" Sugar Caye Development has worked hand in hand with the San Pedro Town Council who assisted in gathering all information required for permits. Sugar Caye Development has worked with the Department of Environment and an Environmental Compliance Plan has been approved along with other necessary permits." Thats gota make you smile if you know anything about this development at the sewage pond.I can't wait to see the glamorous advertisements of white sand beaches and coconut palms http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=14155&frmsrch=1
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BUt this area is a total mess. It would be great if they made it better. Just call me Pollyanna!
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Wasn't Frank on the ACCSD committee? No mention of his working with that group now.
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Harriette Take only pictures leave only bubbles
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I don't think Frank is the problem here. Its the concept. People living there will need even more help than the San Mateo folks.Its where the island waste is treated and then released, add that to the type of environment we have at San Mateo and you really have a delightful place to live.
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Shame on you Elbert! Of all people you should know better but you just go on misrepresenting the facts...this development is nearby the modern, well-managed sewer ponds but is not adjacent to them. The property is being raised and roads are being built. That is nothing like the San Mateo situation. I have no interest in this except seeing Elbert be honest.
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Looking at the pictures, anything would be an improvement.
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I hope this isnt to small to be seen well. <a href="http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa3/elbertgreer/?action=view¤t=2009-22-19i.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa3/elbertgreer/2009-22-19i.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Looking at the pictures, anything would be an improvement. I hear you, but 450 houses with people in them could be worse.
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I'm inclined towards Elbert's position on this. The smell of the sewage farm will probably permeate the new housing.
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Interesting theory since the prevailing wind blows the opposite way...but then Peter wouldn't understand that.
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seems awful close. Would they call that back row 'Lagoon View?
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No, I wouldn't. Besides, the wind seems to blow from all sorts of directions.
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The Lots Come with a pool, Wow !
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There is no smell, I've been up to those ponds many times. It's not raw sewage. They even have Crocs swimming in them which I can't imagine they'd do if the water was contaminated.
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Where is the raw sewage treated?
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If there is raw sewage, I think that is a much greater concern than debating which way the wind blows the smell.
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IF? What happens when you flush your loo?
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I have a document from the wasa EIA I'm haveing difficulty with the document, i can't figure out how to copy and paste it here. Its not word, seems to be a picture file. The subdivision is in the area designated for the buffer zone. The buffer zone is for odours, desease transmission and tertiary treatment. Its under 4.4.1 Establishment of Buffer Zones. an amazeing document. I'll try to get it transcribed and post the whole thing. This subdivision is on top of the zone designated to buffer disease from the community.
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Thank you Brandon C, but I was referring to what happens here in San Pedro. Raw sewage is undeniably created here, but if it doesn't go to the sewage farm (my words, but seemingly correct) then what happens to it? If it undergoes some form of treatment and then goes to the sewage farm, what is that treatment and where is it performed?
This is purely based on Phil's statement that what is in the WASA "pond" is not raw sewage. Doesn't seem to fit with Elbert's last post.....
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Its not raw sewage.Its called a sewage treatment plant and this is the pond its put in after it leaves the plant , still very nasty stuff with out any doubt , that why all the restrictions are put on being around it. It was designed to be filtered and back into the environment through the pond and buffer zone. the EIA says mangroves played a part in the buffering . ...but they where cut to put in the subdivision. I'm from Tennessee and when a large amount of bad things happen in one package like this development and its secret deals,permissions with a wink and covert permits we called it a goat [#%!] !
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Just having a quick look on the Internet. 300 to 500 feet of buffer zone to inhabited dwellings seems to be the norm.
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The EIA says 300meters This area is part of the sewage treatment project and should remain that way. The damage to its buffer zone (the mangroves and the drain/canal they cut into it) should be repaired.
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This goes beyond the normal bend/break the rules as much as possible to make a quick buck. Public health is directly involved here and the relevant government department should be involved.
Back on sewage, where is the raw sewage treated to the state it apparently arrives at the WASA pond? It has to be treated somewhere.....
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from the google photo, at the end of the pipe their appears to be a plant on the road south.
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Yes, but I've never noticed a smell coming from that building. Most sewage processing plants emit some smell. But I think you must be right - I can't think where else.
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There is nothing wrong with Wasa. Its a good operation and I doubt if it has a smell. This is from the original assessment before the subdivision was made; 4.4. OPERATION OF SEWAGE LAGOON 4.4.1. Establishment of Buffer Zones Buffer zones around the sewage lagoon are required for three reasons- odors, disease transmission, and tertiary treatment-and an additional buffer is required between the coast and any area of cleared mangroves. A buffer is required between the lagoon and any inhabited area to control odors and transmittal of disease by insects or birds. A buffer of 300m has been established for this purpose, and this distance will also be maintained from the terminal building at the proposed new airport. Figure 1 shows this buffer extending from the lagoon to the south, east and northeast. Because the 'polishing' of sewage effluent requires the continued growth of mangroves and functioning of ecological processes within the mangrove wetland, the area of mangroves that will receive and treat the effluent from the sewage lagoon must remain in its natural state for that purpose. It goes on but you get the point. if you look back at the photo at the beginning of the thread you can see what happened to the mangrove buffer zone.
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What happens when they need to increase capacity to take care of all the new subdivisions they are going to put on line? Isn't the current system at capacity?
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When it was built the contractor claimed that it was designed for 60,000 people.
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Morning Jesse. WASA is great and runs well. No complaints here. They planed it well but it looks like their Buffer zone got changed, no fault of their own. Did you read the EIA for the plant? It sounded solid. I don't think there was one for the subdivision.
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Hummmm. i was just looking at the letter for the subdivision...
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I went by to look at Sugar Caye. The canals are all completed and the lots are filled. I believe the water and sewer lines have been run and I think the power lines may have also been run.
There are a number of buildings under construction.
There is no smell from the sewer ponds. Far from it the ponds are beautiful, peaceful and full of wildlife.
The project is well underway and I guess the next step is sales.
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I would try and change the name first, locals are referring to it as 'Shit Caye'. Its gona be a tough sell.
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With as nice and straight streets as is being provided, I don't see how those lots won't be scooped up by everyone. I guess this is an example of everyman's piece of paradise.
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This is a photo I took of it about 2 months back. The road runs from the WASA plant on the left(big tank)along the back of the subdivision to the sewage pond off camera to the right. like the map below; flipped view from airplane shot.google earth
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I guess people dont remember Keith and dont believe the sea levels are rising. Its all nice right now because there are no people there. When it becomes inhabited and there is runoff from all the lots and roads, it will look different. I seriously question the carrying capacity of this property and the long term viability of the project.
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This link with reference the two threads. //ambergriscaye.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/413471.html#Post413471
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