Ragman,

As a chess player, I must say you hit the nail on the head.

the first strike will be Israeli. That being the shot to drive US into the fight they are begging for.

For some its a game, for others its their lives.

Neville Chamberlain lives and walks among us!!

Artorious

Do you believe that Iran provides support to organizations such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad?

Yes \ No

Art, I have no problem with talking with them. The problem I have is people who do not recognize that some people are evil and have no redeeming qualities. When these people are in charge of a country all bets are off. I would respect them and leave them alone if they will respect me and my friends alone.

It is my understanding that the leaders are threatening to execute in the street, protesters. Does this sound rational or could this be called evil?

You ask me if I 'believe'...you want to sanction the death of thousands on what is 'believed' or what is 'known'?

Its not as simple as black & white. Do you believe america sponsors rebels in other countries? see that is a question history as already provided the answer to...I believe history repeats itself like insanity.

Do you 'believe' steel melts at 2500 degrees F, or do you know? because that is a question science has/can provide the answer too...the melting point of steel can be measured and known.

dont ask a man what he believes, ask a man what he knows; one is empirical proof one is pudding.

I suspect the first statement is a product of religious ideology. And I believe - 'no men are born evil; thereby, every man is redeemable.' I 'believe' the holy one Jesus might echo my thought or I his...

To the second statement - I too would protect the ones I love. As should you, dont send my son to do your dirty work. So if war breaks out in Iran are you going?

Interesting that one might bring up nazi supporters in this conversation...

Would you 'believe' that Hitler was TIME man of the year?
Or did you 'know' that he was. "for better or worse"...(ie in the face & with the knowledge of his actions he was honored-shame more ppl didnt speak out then).

Who support did he have to acquire to achieve that?!

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauMemorial/TimeCover.html

What I find more interesting is how 'generic labeling' makes for the 'appearance' knowledgeable men.

I asked you a simple question and instead of answering it or even ignoring it you start making outrageous claims. Without a single bit of evidence you question "you want to sanction the death of thousands on what is 'believed' or what is 'known'?"

The question itself is as simple as Yes or No, black or white unless you afraid of the answer.

See, let me show you

Q - Do you believe america sponsors rebels in other countries?
A - Yes

Steel is not a pure element so you cant give a melting point, it would have a range based on content and would certainly not be exactly 2500F

As far as Hitler being person of the year I don't even understand what your point is. Several infamous people have been named to the list such as Joseph Stalin (twice) and oddly enough Ayatollah Khomeini who led the Iranian Revolution

Art,

I've already fulfilled that obligation with two tours in Nam that I volunteered for. I've already informed my son what is expected of him and I'm sure he will do what he has to do if necessary. Last Thursday I spent 2 hours with my daughter in an Army Recruiter's office. I don't think she was too impressed by what he had to say but she is considering it.


I lead by example also.

Art,
Neville Chamberlain was most decidedly NOT a nazi supporter. He just diddn't have the stomach to oppose them with the needed force. Perhaps the simile struck too close to home . . .you did in fact immediately pick up on who I was referring to.
I have no problems with pacifists. I do have a problem with naive pragmatists.