#344340 - 07/10/09 12:27 PM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: Barnacle]
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Another Honduran's view from within,
The following was written by Ian Merriam. Ian is a respected businessman in Tegucigalpa that I’ve known for several years. It’s a very good synopsis of what’s occurred.
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The Chain of Events in the Honduras Crisis by Ian H. Merriam
March 23, 2009: President Zelaya passes an Executive Decree ordering a National Survey asking citizens if they would approve a Constitutional Assembly that would write and approve a new constitution. The Decree stated that the National Institute of Statistics (INE) would carry the survey out. However, he did not publish the decree in Honduras’ official newspaper called La Gaceta as required by law.
This decree violated the following articles in the Constitution:
Article 255 for not having published the decree in the Gaceta.
Article 5 which states that only Congress (with a majority vote of 2/3) can define a National Survey and NOT the Executive branch.
Article 5 which states that only the Supreme Electoral Tribunal (TSE) con conduct/execute a National Survey and NOT the National Statistics Institute (INE).
His actions implied intent to violate Article 374, a “Petreos” Article, which states that only five articles in the entire constitution (with a total of 378 articles) cannot be amended or reformed. Two of those five articles refer to the duration of the presidential period (Art. 237) and the prohibition of presidential reelection (Art. 4).
By May 27, 2009: The National Prosecutor, the Attorney General and the Supreme Court had unanimously ruled the National Survey decree as illegal and it was ANULLED.
June 5, 2009: President Zelaya’s lawyer appeals the ruling.
June 16, 2009: The Appeal Court unanimously confirms that the National Survey decree is indeed illegal and therefore ANULLED.
The State Prosecutor’s Office (Ministerio Publico) informs the Armed Forces that the National Survey is illegal and therefore, the Armed Forces must not carry out its constitutionally- assigned responsibility to act as guardians of the Public Survey ballots. The Armed Forces apply Article 323 that states that no public official, whether civil or military, can be forced to comply with an illegal order and thus refuse to carry out President Zelaya’s order to safeguard the ballots and election/survey. That same day, the State Prosecutor’s Office also advise President Zelaya and his entire cabinet of the Appeals Court ruling against the decree.
June 19, 2009: The State Prosecutor’s Office formally advises President Zelaya, a second time, that the National Survey is illegal.
June 25th, 2009: Only three days before his announced and illegal survey, President Zelaya issues a second presidential decree again calling for a National Survey. But this time, he goes all the way and publishes it in the Gaceta. However, he makes changes to the wording in the decree. Instead of ordering “a Public Opinion Survey,” as he had worded the previous decree, he now changes the words to read, “Public Opinion Survey Convening a Constitutional Assembly.” This changes the legal interpretation of this decree entirely, and would’ve allowed for an immediate Constitutional Assembly to convene and disintegrate the three powers defined in the Constitution, effectively interrupting Constitutional Order.
With the publishing of this decree in the Gaceta, President Zelaya himself kicks into motion Article 239 which states that “whomever changes or attempts to change” article 4 (an unchangeable “petreos” article protected by Article 374) relating to the alterability of the presidential position, “will be immediately removed from public office” and lose his/her constitutional powers.
NOTE: This is very important! As soon as the decree was published, President Zelaya automatically stopped being president and became a regular citizen.
June 26, 2009: The Courts, along with the Attorney General and the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, order the Armed Forces to confiscate all National Survey ballots and voting material that had just arrived by plane.
That same day, in blatant disregard to all court rulings, Citizen Manuel Zelaya gathers a group of protesters and proceeds to the Air Force warehouse where the ballots had been impounded. He threatens with force and uses human shields, risking other citizens’ lives. Calling on Article 59, which states that the protection of “human life is the Constitution and the state’s supreme responsibility/ obligation,” the Armed Forces yield to the mob and allow Citizen Zelaya and his human shields to take the ballots by force.
Immediately, the Supreme Court issues an arrest warrant for Citizen Manuel Zelaya for the crimes of (a) attempts against the form of government, (b) treason to the country, (c) abuse of authority, and (d) usurpation of functions belonging to other branches of government. The Supreme Court orders the Armed Forces to serve this arrest warrant because according to Article 272, the Armed Forces has the constitutionally- assigned responsibility to maintain and protect the alterability of the presidential office.
June 27, 2009: Country leaders meet intermittently throughout the day in an effort to find an alternate means of resolving the situation without recurring to an arrest that would incite unrest and possible violence within certain segments of the population. In the meantime, the Armed Forces study Citizen Zelaya’s agenda in order to determine the best moment to execute the arrest with the least risk to the lives of Citizen Zelaya and the Presidential Guards surrounding him.
June 28, 2009: Having found no better time for the arrest, at 5:45AM, the Armed Forces capture Citizen Zelaya in his home. The arrest is successful without any injuries or deaths on both sides. Citizen Zelaya is instructed to get dressed, but wanting to be victimized, he refuses, only grabbing his passport and wallet (with the presidential palace’s credit card, by the way).
The Armed Forces decide to put Citizen Zelaya on the presidential plane and take him to Costa Rica where he is left behind. The Armed Forces and whoever else decided to expatriate Citizen Zelaya violated Article 102 which states that “no Honduran can be expatriated or surrendered to a foreign government.”
The Armed Forces is defending its decision by arguing that they again relied on Article 59 (protection of human life as supreme obligation of the state). They said that, in this case, breaking the law (art. 102) actually saved lives since they felt that placing Citizen Zelaya in a Honduran prison would’ve incited violence, unrest, and possible harm to Citizen Zelaya himself. Nonetheless, the State Prosecutor’s Office has started an investigation into this crime.
Per Article 242, when the President is absent and when the Vice President is absent (or resigned in Honduras’ case), the third instance is the President of Congress. Thus, the President of Congress, Roberto Micheletti, became President of Honduras.
Points that are important to consider:
1. Petreos means “written in stone.” The petreos articles are defined in Article 374. Article 374 protects these five petreos articles from ever being amended NO MATTER WHAT. Presidential alterability (Art. 4) is one of them and the four-year presidential period (Art. 237) is another.
2. Article 323 states that “all government officials are subject to the law and that no one is above it.” The Constitution does not allow for immunity to any government official including the President. Thus, if no immunity exists, then there can be neither impeachment nor the process for it. Even a President would have to be served with an arrest warrant just like any other citizen.
3. International opinion is arguing that this is a coup d’état because we ousted President Zelaya by force. But on June 28th, he was no longer President Zelaya! He was ordinary Citizen Zelaya. We still broke the law when we expatriated a citizen; but it wasn’t the president.
4. International opinion criticizes us for having used a Letter of Resignation as opposed to having judged him based on his legal transgressions and crimes. I’ll concede that mistake.
5. Further matters that complicated things:
a. U.S. Ambassador in Honduras, Hugo Llorens, slept right by the early morning arrest and expatriation of Citizen Zelaya. He woke yelling, “Coup! Coup!” without inquiring into the matter at 9AM.
b. It was another mistake to drop Citizen Zelaya off in Costa Rica, home to a globally-respected and admired, Nobel Peace Prize President. Unfortunately President Oscar Arias also condemned us without having heard our side of the story and yelled, “Coup! Coup!” at 9:30AM. The world heard him.
c. By the time the Honduran Congress adjourned the assembly that day at noon, the entire world had unilaterally and unjustly condemned us and the word “Coup” now defined what we had done.
International organisms like the OAS and the UN will NOT go back on their judgment and lose any more of their floundering public credibility. The OAS and the UN have to “stick to their guns” while a poor, small country that defended its constitution against the true corrupters of democracy (Chavez, etc.) plunges into poverty and becomes a pariah state.
I have but one question that I would like to ask the international community that is so adamant about not recognizing our existing government and is so vociferous at demanding that Honduras reinstate our criminal ex President Zelaya:
What part of our Constitution would you force us to change, amend or erase so that we can reinstate Manuel Zelaya as President of Honduras without breaking the law?
July 8, 2009
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#344532 - 07/11/09 07:21 PM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: Richard Chambers]
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Just another piece of information,
Sen. Cornyn Urges President Obama, Secretary Clinton To Stand With The Honduran People To Preserve The Democratic Process Wednesday, July 8, 2009
U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, today met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and urged her to give equal time to both sides of the current conflict in Honduras, ensure that the Honduran Constitution is not undermined, and that the health of the Honduran democracy and its rule of law are preserved. He will be following up in a letter with Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., echoing the same requests. Sen. Cornyn also met today with several Honduran leaders, including two former presidents, six current members of the Honduran Congress who supported the deposition of President Manuel Zelaya, and two individuals who helped to draft the 1982 Honduran Constitution.
"The United States has stood and continues to stand as a beacon of freedom in every corner of the globe. Like our own nation, Honduras adopted a constitution designed to ensure our Presidents are never above the law. Today I met with two original authors of the Honduran Constitution, which places strict limits on executive power and limits the President to one term. These constitutional tenets are highly significant to the Honduran people due to the nation's unique history concerning military rule. I am very troubled by President Obama's call for the return of deposed President Zelaya to power, as his return would directly undermine the democratic process and the Constitution of Honduras. President Obama and Secretary Clinton must stand with the Honduran people, not with Hugo Chavez and other leftist dictators, and I reiterated these concerns to Sec. Clinton when I met with her this morning. I'm hopeful Costa Rica's upcoming mediation will be successful and the health of Honduras' democracy will be preserved."
Sen. Cornyn serves on the Finance, Judiciary and Budget Committees. He serves as the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee's Immigration, Refugees and Border Security subcommittee. He served previously as Texas Attorney General, Texas Supreme Court Justice, and Bexar County District Judge
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#344548 - 07/12/09 10:19 AM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: Richard Chambers]
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The Honduran Constitution doesn't have an impeachment clause. If Zelaya returns he will probably be arrested and stand trial for violating the Constitution. That is the "democratic", i.e. rule of law solution to this problem. If Cornyn truly believes in freedom, democracy and the rule of law he'd keep his mouth shut and not use this issue to take a shot at the President and his administration. What Cornyn is advocating goes against the very standards he claims to support. Besides, if it makes this guy unhappy the OAS, US and UN must be doing something right: http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-17602--12-12--.html
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#344550 - 07/12/09 10:30 AM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: H20dog]
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BS!
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"... Pot had helped maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama
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#344560 - 07/12/09 12:08 PM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: iluvbelize]
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Just a surmise, but I bet that if the ousted president of Honduras had been a right-wing wannabe dictator, H20dog would have no problem with the fact that the Honduran military was fulfilling the constitutional role assigned to them when they obeyed the directives of the Congress and the Supreme Court.
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When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it.
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#344561 - 07/12/09 12:15 PM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: iluvbelize]
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Who said anything about the US Constitution? Get a grip.
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#344562 - 07/12/09 12:22 PM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: KC Jayhawk]
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Don't go off on that left wing right wing horsesh5t. If you actually read my post you'd notice I suggest he go back to his country, be arrested and stand trial.....in accordance with the Honduran Constitution. Amazingly Mel Martinez (oh sh5t, a Republican) agrees. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxcY1WWgmz8
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#344601 - 07/13/09 12:16 AM
Re: Crisis in Honduras
[Re: Rykat]
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I expect such a simple response from a guy with the education of an Ethiopian sheep herder.
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