#402223 - 03/11/11 05:06 PM
Re: Quake in Japan
[Re: Marty]
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#402247 - 03/12/11 08:25 AM
Re: Quake in Japan
[Re: Amanda Syme]
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The latest news is that it wasn't an explosion and the Reactor Core is fine. They are working with worldwide cooperation to keep it that way. Hopefully they will be successful. The word explosion is used sometimes by the media when they talk about Nuclear. It sells newspapers I guess. The nuclear part of it cannot explode. The only thing that I can think might happen is a fire maybe or the over pressurization of a pressure vessel.
Never has there been an outside event of this magnitude effected a Nuclear Plant. So far there hasn't been any injuries or excessive radiation outside of the plant to the best of my knowledge. It will take weeks to understand fully and hopefully they will keep the situation under control. The cooling of the reactor is the most critical. What is learned here will be used to improve design or upgrade as necessary. The evacuations are a wise precaution.
Risk assessment will again take place in both the public and scientific arenas. It would be a shame to have to write off this important source of clean energy which is still the only real alternative to fossil fuel, at least at the moment. This is definitely a setback though. Hope what we learn from this will make will bring us closer to better design solutions.
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#402251 - 03/12/11 09:44 AM
Re: Quake in Japan
[Re: ragman]
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The latest news is that 3 people have been over exposed to radiation but where were these people in proximity to the reactor. In the building or a mile away? Also what level of radiation are they talking? Someone on the news said they received an overdose equal to what a person would get from everyday sources in a year. Bad but not real bad.
Also when I talked about pressure vessels above I'm not talking about the core. I'm talk about tanks like Air Tanks and many other pressure type vessels which are in any power plant. These tanks may have water in them and a fire can make the water into steam that could pressurize the vessel above its maximum safe working pressure.
Again there are quickly unfolding events talking place here and hopefully the damage is minimal but rightly so there is a lot of interest in this and I hope they keep the hysteria to a minimun. The foes of Nuclear of course are having a field day after being domant for years.
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#402252 - 03/12/11 10:03 AM
Re: Quake in Japan
[Re: Marty]
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Dan thinks it's likely that it was a hydrogen explosion in the generator building where hydrogen gas is used as a coolant for the turbines. Not good but not nearly a serious as an explosion in the reactor building itself.
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#402279 - 03/12/11 12:37 PM
Re: Quake in Japan
[Re: Marty]
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#402286 - 03/12/11 03:39 PM
Re: Quake in Japan
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Hon, Yes, that is a possibility. Hydrogen which has less windage than air and has the capability to dissipate heat faster. It is used in just about every large generator for cooling that I know of. The turbine building is isolated and protected pretty well by fire protection devices in Nuclear plants but H2 is dangerous and an explosion there is possible.
My experience has been that fire usually starts because of the hydrogen and not an explosion but of course that is possible. About 8 years or so ago I was one of the lead engineers on an investigation of a generator hydrogen and lube oil fire that caused, I think $ 50 mil. in damages. This happened in South Boston, MA at the L St. Plant. There was an incident in which the turbine suffered major damage as did the H2 seal on the turbine end of the generator. In addition the fire was fueled by a 10,000 gal. Lube oil system that was spraying oil in the area when the bearing cap lifted. It took quite a while before they could enter the closed up building and shut down the Lube oil pumps. It happened during cold weather and the building almost immediately filled with smoke. The unit never ran again and the whole plant was decommissioned a few years later. This was a fossil fuel gas burning plant at the time of the incident. We have had a couple of other less damaging H2 fires in my career. The point is there was a lot of fire in that incident for quite a long time but luckily no explosion.
There could be many sources of an explosion in the secondary part of a Nuclear plant and some could be of the hydrogen system, generator, gas bottles, and many other types of pressure vessels. It is safe to say though that the source will not be the reactor vessel, reactor fuel, or anything like that.
This is going to take a while to sort out. I'm retired now or I would pick up the phone and see what the scuttlebutt is although it is even way too early for that.
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#402298 - 03/12/11 10:41 PM
Re: Quake in Japan
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Hon, The latest out is that the explosion was caused by H2 but not the H2 used to cool the generator. From what I can gather some of the fuel rods may have overheated and gave off some H2 gas which had to be vented into the reactor building. This is a different scenario which is much more serious than a generator fire or explosion. Information is hard to come by and this on going event is not going to be fully explained for some time. Inside that superheated steel vessel, water being poured over the fuel rods to cool them formed hydrogen. When officials released some of the hydrogen gas to relieve pressure inside the reactor, the hydrogen apparently reacted with oxygen, either in the air or the cooling water, and caused the explosion PS This whole castastrophe is not going to be good for Japan, I guess that goes with saying but I wonder what effect this will have on the world economy? Not good I'll bet. Our prayers should be with these people this is just terrible. Huge loss of life and a huge loss to their economy.
Edited by ragman (03/12/11 10:50 PM) Edit Reason: ps
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