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#424503 - 12/07/11 09:50 AM Belize to decriminalize marijuana?
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Coming soon! Stay tuned.
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#424509 - 12/07/11 10:11 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Marty Offline
been hearing rumors....

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#424510 - 12/07/11 10:24 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Amanda Syme Offline
Probably just the politicians trying to drum up more votes.

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#424512 - 12/07/11 10:30 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
BrusselSprout Offline
I feel like the US in going to put some serious pressure on Belize to make sure that doesn't happen...
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#424513 - 12/07/11 10:30 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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It would bring in lots of tourists. Sounds like a good blog post.
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#424537 - 12/07/11 01:33 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Katie Valk Offline
The pols are on board and paperwork is in and all agree its the right way to go, but GOB is waiting for us to make the first move and are looking towards the media and citizens to start the discussion. None of the pols want to be the one to introduce decriminalization and have to deal with the church again, ala the UNIBAM suit against GOB. So, start talking about it on the radio, tv and newspapers and start a groundswell of support for this amendment. Your govt is listening and ready to move.
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#424544 - 12/07/11 02:12 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Amanda Syme Offline
My vote is absolutely, unequivocally NO.

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#424545 - 12/07/11 02:12 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Amanda Syme Offline
And I don't want the tourist trade that would come solely because they can fire up a doobie.

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#424546 - 12/07/11 02:26 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: Amanda Syme]
SP Daily Offline
We already have them.....

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#424549 - 12/07/11 02:30 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
elbert Offline
I don't want to scare away tourist because of a zero tolerance.
Its everywhere and done by thousands.
The laws are much to harsh for something so harmless but totally unregulated would cause problems from the US for sure.
Some middle ground could keep Hillary from screwing with us.
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#424550 - 12/07/11 02:30 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
surfdude Offline
What is the difference between "decriminalize" and "legalize"?

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#424555 - 12/07/11 02:46 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
elbert Offline
it's a difference between a ticket and 5 years in Hattiville!
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#424556 - 12/07/11 02:52 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: elbert]
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to do be or not to do be! grin
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#424567 - 12/07/11 03:49 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: papashine]
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Originally Posted By: papashine
to do be or not to do be! grin


Old Blue Eyes! exchanging glances. Strangers in the night.
name that tune


Edited by champion (12/07/11 03:50 PM)
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#424570 - 12/07/11 03:56 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
ColdwellBankerSP Offline
It's not the legalization of marijuana, rather, the decriminalizatoin of it. It would still be illegal, like parking in the red zone or driving without a license (or a 17 year old drinking a beer here). If you get caught with less than 7 grams, you get it taken away from you and a fine.

It's a shame the US would be upset when they consume the most illicit drugs in the WORLD (overall volume and per capita).
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#424572 - 12/07/11 04:01 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Amanda Syme Offline
Thanks for the definitions - back to grey areas again.

I think I know of lot of people that are going to be dropping off their basic credit card info with direct debits at the government cashiers office!

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#424576 - 12/07/11 04:38 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: Amanda Syme]
papashine Offline
I understand that there is a petition you can sign, but no-one can remember where it's at !
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#424579 - 12/07/11 05:17 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Katie Valk Offline
Amanda, it will be decrimilized for small amounts, I can't recall, but for personal use. Which it is now unofficially anyway. Remember when Top Cop Maureen (whats her last name) said that officers could use their descretion whether or not to arrest for two joints and under-about a yr ago? MX decriminalized everything-even lsd and heroin, in 2010. They just legalized gay marraige too. The only snag in the ointment is the procurement, which will be illegal. So its really just to unclog the court system and empty out some cells at Hattieville. Its more about efficiency and the medical use for people suffering from pain, nausea, low appetite, glaucoma, arthritis, scorpian bites and such and how its been used like that here for yrs. And assume an age limit as well, like liquor. We could use the $ from licencing and taxes. Whatever, its up to the public to say what they want.
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#424580 - 12/07/11 05:21 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: papashine]
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Originally Posted By: papashine
I understand that there is a petition you can sign, but no-one can remember where it's at !

Your probly sitin on it.
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#424756 - 12/09/11 02:40 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Marty Offline
Ideas and Opinions - Decriminalize marijuana
For Amandala by Janus

I have written articles on this subject before, but now, I am doing so at the request of five of my associates, who have very strong views in favor of decriminalizing marijuana, which I share completely.

They don’t smoke marijuana. I haven’t asked them if they did in their youth but, I doubt it, because they are public men and, in Belize there are very few secrets. If they did, then they would be proof positive that the addictive power of the drug is very weak. In my own experience, I know of several individuals who had the habit when they were young and, are now models of respectability.

Before I go into the good reasons why we should decriminalize marijuana, I should like to remark that the case for doing so is much stronger than the one being pursued in the courts, by the homosexual community. You have seen the results of the Internet poll conducted by this newspaper. Participants in that poll are overwhelmingly against revoking the law against sexual acts between males, which are against the order of nature. That the act is unnatural is too obvious.

If it is not natural, it is unnatural. Simplistic, but true. Also, the act is not normal. Who determines normality? The society in which we live. I understand that in a province in Canada, they have decided by law that homosexuality is normal. They must be a very advanced and enlightened society. Also, decadent. Don’t you agree that marijuana smokers have a better case for revoking the law making their choice to get high, a crime? It is neither unnatural nor abnormal.

The people who smoke marijuana love peace and quiet and, the association of others of like preference. The drug tranquilizes and does not move to violence. If you observe the Rastafarians, you will be able to judge the effects marijuana has on its regular users. We can fill our jails to overflowing with members of this sect because, they use it for a religious rite. Yet, the law makes them criminals.

If there was a public opinion poll, I believe it would be found that the same majority of citizens who support the law against homosexuality, would approve of decriminalizing marijuana use.
One of the things my associates decry is the incarceration of young users who are unable to pay the fines. If they were not criminals before, they are by the time they are released because, jail is not a reforming but, a criminalizing influence. A jail term also stigmatizes and kills hope, because it gives them a police record.

What we are proposing, is not that the whole law prohibiting the production, sale and use of marijuana be revoked, only a change in the law, to allow for the possession of a small quantity of the drug for personal use to be a misdemeanor. We recommend also, that minors have the option of performing community services instead of paying a fine.

I wish to remind my readers that the law prohibiting the use of marijuana (referred to in the law as “cannabis sativa L.”), was conceived in discrimination against the East Indian element in our population by the British Administration. Our rulers and, respectable members of society smoked tobacco cigarettes and drank whiskey for their pleasure, while their indentured workers smoked the leaves of the ganja plant (which they probably brought with them from India) to make their lives bearable. It would be interesting to know what were the objects and reasons for the law. Perhaps, it was for the sake of public health, though little was known of the clinical effects of smoking marijuana. Now we know that smoking tobacco cigarettes can cause lung cancer and, that marijuana is neither hallucinogenic nor is it a stimulant. Also, to my knowledge no one has ever died as a result of smoking marijuana, nor are its users disposed to violence.

In a democratic country government complies with the expressed will of the majority. This, we can express in public opinions polls and the ballot paper and retain our anonymity, which is dear to the hearts of my fellow Belizeans. It is unusual for us to express our views on a matter of public policy, in a personal way, as my associates and I have decided to do.

We are Henry Young, businessman and a former Cabinet Minister; Compton Fairweather, electronics expert and receiver of the honor, Order of Belize; Orton Clarke, former Cabinet Secretary for two governments and former member of the Public Service Commission; Dr. Dennis Young, Ph.D. of Harvard University; Glen Stuart, businessman; and the writer of this column, Charles B. Hyde.

There are many other prominent citizens who are in favor of decriminalizing marijuana, amongst them Paul Rodriguez, former Mayor of Belize City and our first Ombudsman.

Amending the law which makes marijuana use a crime will keep over a hundred people out of jail, a saving in public expenditure of over 700,000 dollars. Those funds can be put to better use. Finally, it would make about 4,000 citizens, who have the marijuana habit, rest easy and sleep well, knowing that they are no longer criminals.

A government which serves the best interests of our country, would not hesitate to take action, if the case we have made is convincing.

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#424844 - 12/10/11 09:37 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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My Mother-in-Law’s One High Day
By MARIE MYUNG-OK LEE
New York Times

WHEN my mother-in-law was in the final, harrowing throes of pancreatic cancer, she had only one good day, and that was the day she smoked pot.

So I was heartened when, at the end of last month, the governors of Washington and Rhode Island petitioned the Obama administration to classify marijuana as a drug that could be prescribed and distributed for medical use. While medical marijuana is legal in 16 states, it is still outlawed under federal law.

My husband and I often thought of recommending marijuana to his mother. She was always nauseated from the chemotherapy drugs and could barely eat for weeks. She existed in a Percocet and morphine haze, constantly fretting that the sedation kept her from saying all the things she wanted to say to us, but unable to face the pain without it. And this was a woman who had such a high tolerance for pain, coupled with a distaste for drugs, that she insisted her dentist not use Novocain and gave birth to her two children without anesthesia. But despite marijuana’s power to relieve pain and nausea without loss of consciousness, we were afraid she would find even the suggestion of it scandalous. This was 1997, and my mother-in-law was a very proper, law-abiding woman, a graduate of Bryn Mawr College in the 1950s. She’d never even smoked a cigarette.

But then an older family friend who worked in an AIDS hospice came bearing what he said was very good quality marijuana. To our surprise, she said she’d consider it. My husband and I — though we knew nothing about marijuana paraphernalia — were dispatched to find a bong, as the friend suggested water-processing might make the smoking easier for her. We found ourselves in a head shop in one of the seedier neighborhoods in New Haven, where my husband went to graduate school, listening attentively to the clerk as he went over the finer points of bong taxonomy, finally just choosing one in her favorite color, lilac.

She had us take her out on the flagstone patio because she refused to smoke in her meticulously kept-up house. Then she looked about nervously, as if expecting the police to jump out of the bushes. She found it awkward and strange to smoke a bong, but after a few tries managed to get in two and a half hits.

And then she said she wanted to go out to eat.

For the past month, we’d been trying to get her to eat anything: fresh-squeezed carrot juice made in a special juicer, Korean rice gruel that I simmered for hours, soups, oatmeal, endless cans of Ensure. Sometimes she’d request some particular dish and we’d eagerly procure it, only to have her refuse it or fall back asleep before taking a bite. But this time she sat down at her favorite restaurant and ordered a gorgeous meal: whitefish poached with lemon, hot buttered rolls, salad — and ate every bite.

Then she wanted to go to Kimball’s, a local ice cream place famous for cones topped with softball-size scoops. The family had been regular customers starting all the way back when my husband and his brother were children, but they hadn’t been there since her illness. My husband and I shared a small cone, which we could not finish, and looked on in awe as my mother-in-law ordered a large and, queenishly spurning any requests for a taste, polished the whole thing off — cone and all — and declared herself satisfied.

We were of course raring to make the magic happen again, but it never did. The pot just frightened her too much. She was scared her friend would be arrested for interstate drug trafficking, that my husband and I would be mugged in New Haven; she was afraid she’d become addicted or (ŕ la “Reefer Madness”) go insane. It was difficult watching her reject something that had so clearly alleviated her nausea and pain and — let’s admit it — lightened her mood in the face of the terrible fact that cancer had invaded nearly every essential organ. And it was even worse to watch her pumped, instead, full of narcotics that made her feel horrible. The Percocet gave her a painfully dry mouth, but even ice chips made her heave. We were reduced to swabbing her lips with little sponges dipped in water, and waiting out her agony.

My husband and I have dredged up the memory of that one good day many times since, how she smiled and joked, for the last time seeming a little like her old self.

After the funeral, saying goodbye to all the family and friends, supervising the removal of the hospital bed, bedpans and related paraphernalia, one of the last things my husband and I did, under the watchful eyes of the hospice nurse, was destroy her remaining Percocets. We opened the multiple bottles and knelt in front of the toilet to perform this secular water rite, wishing there had been other days, other ways, a softer way for her to leave us.

Marie Myung-Ok Lee, the author of the novel “Somebody’s Daughter,” teaches writing at Brown University.

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#428980 - 01/29/12 07:55 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Marty Offline

Police Minister wants to decriminalize marijuana


Minister of Police & Public Safety Doug Singh

Marijuana may soon be decriminalized in Belize and the strict penalty for being found with even small amounts of the drug may be greatly mitigated.

Minister of Police and Public Safety, Doug Singh, told The Reporter that the initiative is coming from his ministry, which is being assisted by a few persons outside.

The Ministry is currently preparing a paper that will be presented to Cabinet, Singh explained.

He said that in the first instance, his ministry is looking at decriminalizing a small quantity, and if Cabinet approves, police will no longer charge persons, who are found with the decriminalized amount.

The exact amount has not been agreed on as yet, but Singh said that he is looking at decriminalizing between 5 to 7 grams.

Singh reminded, however, that there is a difference between decriminalization and legalization, as he explained that it will not be a free walk in the park for those who are caught with that amount.

Singh said that persons who are caught with the specific decriminalized amount will be given a ticket to pay a small fine, but there will be no locking down of persons caught with a small amount of marijuana.

The Police Minister also added that after a certain period of time, persons who are charged criminally for marijuana will have their record wiped clean.

It makes no sense, Singh said, for a young person who made the mistake of being caught with a small amount of marijuana to have to go through life with a criminal record.

Nevertheless, until Singh gets his way, the Laws of Belize continue to be very clear when it comes to marijuana possession or cultivation: Cannabis sativa L, the scientific name for marijuana, is an illegal drug.

It is a criminal offence, if it is found in your possession. And, for even a very minuscule amount, you will be arrested, taken to court and charged a hefty fine, which if not paid, could land you directly in a prison cell.

But even if you don’t go to prison after you have been found guilty, it is very likely that you would have a criminal record, which will follow you for the rest of your life.

But criminal offence or not, there has always been a robust marijuana business in Belize.

The drug is produced both for local consumption and for export.

In the 1980s, High Times Magazine dubbed marijuana that was being exported to the United States as “Belizean Breeze,” and in one of its issues, the magazine took issue with the then Manuel Esquivel government, because it had allowed the deadly herbicide, Paraquat, to be sprayed on Belize’s marijuana plantations.

There have been many changes in the world as far as marijuana is concerned over the decades since the 1980s. Marijuana is now legal in several countries and in the United Sates of America, marijuana can legally be used for medical purposes in sixteen states.

So not only has marijuana gained ground legally in many places, but Hemp, the lower level of the said Cannabis Sativa L plant, has been recognized as the fastest growing biomass in the world, with China being a leading producer.

While all these changes are occurring in the wider world, Belize remains unchanged with its archaic marijuana drugs laws.

But, once the Minister of Police and Public Safety is able to convince the Cabinet of Prime Minister Dean Barrow that the move to decriminalize marijuana makes social sense, this gloomy picture may very well change.

That change would be welcome news to Mr. Charles Bartlett Hyde, a former Speaker of the House of Representative, and former Post Master General, who has written several articles in the Amandala newspaper, making compellingly persuasive arguments for decriminalizing marijuana.

Mr. Hyde told The Reporter that decriminalizing marijuana makes perfect sense.

“This is a good beginning,” Hyde said.

Mr. Hyde explained that he believes marijuana should be decriminalized, because the people who smoke it are not violent and almost all of them are productive citizens in all classes of society. But they have one thing in common, they are law-breakers and criminals under the present laws.

The marijuana cultivation law which carries the same penalty as drug trafficking, a fine of $10,000 or three years imprisonment is draconian, Mr. Hyde said.

“The majority of people who smoke marijuana are doing it for recreational purposes and for relaxation,” Mr. Hyde pointed out.

Mr. Hyde said that he applauds the Minister of Police for his initiative.

The Reporter


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#432846 - 03/13/12 09:35 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Marty Offline
75 Years of a Pointless, Disastrous War Against Marijuana
By Derek Rosenfeld, AlterNet

Posted on March 9, 2012, Printed on March 12, 2012
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This year marks the 75th anniversary of federal marijuana prohibition in the United States. It only took 13 years for Americans to realize the futility of alcohol prohibition. Can you believe we’ve let 75 years of marijuana prohibition go by?

The marijuana plant has a long history of medical, religious and industrial uses dating back thousands of years. Yet few Americans had even heard of it when it was first federally prohibited in 1937. Today, it’s the most widely used controlled substance in the U.S. and the world. More than 100 million Americans – about 42 percent of adults – admit to having tried it. The value of marijuana produced in the U.S. is estimated to be more than $35 billion, making it far and away the nation’s largest cash crop. Despite its ubiquity, though, almost half of the roughly 1.7 million people arrested for drug law violations in the U.S. every year are arrested for nothing more than a low-level marijuana offense.

The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 was essentially the beginning of federal marijuana prohibition. It imposed an excise tax on anyone who commercially produced marijuana and required a tax stamp to prove they were a valid producer. Once the law passed and someone wanted to apply for the stamp, though, they had to demonstrate they were a commercial marijuana producer. If they had the marijuana to prove it, they must have grown it without having the stamp, thus incriminating them.




A few states and localities passed some of the first laws against marijuana in the late 1800s, often with little public attention. Amidst a growing fear of drug use and criminality, several state governments petitioned the feds throughout the 1920s for a single act to unify laws and increase enforcement on narcotics. While drafting the Uniform Narcotic Drug Act, marijuana was included in its list of “habit-forming drugs” merely because it was previously listed as a narcotic in many state laws. The American Medical Association fought to keep marijuana available for medical purposes. But Harry Anslinger, who rose to power during alcohol prohibition as the assistant prohibition commissioner and first head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, made it his mission to impose harsh penalties for drug use and to criminalize a broad array of widely used substances.

In 1934, he started to publicly denounce marijuana as a serious threat to society. He created racist propaganda that associated blacks and Latinos with marijuana and blamed marijuana use for socially deviant behavior like murder and rape. In fact, “marijuana” was known to almost everyone as “cannabis” until Anslinger popularized the term common among Mexicans at this time. Anslinger also condemned jazz music – predominantly played by black entertainers – as Satan’s music, and associated it with marijuana.

Coincidentally – or not – Anslinger launched his crusade only months after the repeal of alcohol Prohibition in December 1933. Anslinger saw tremendous political and economic opportunities in criminalizing marijuana; he could stigmatize Mexican migrant workers while eliminating hemp as a valuable resource, enabling his friend William Randolph Hearst to rule the paper industry.

The Marijuana Tax Act went pretty much unchallenged for 30 years until Timothy Leary was arrested for marijuana possession and his case was brought to the Supreme Court. In Leary v. United States (1969), the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the Marijuana Tax Act was unconstitutional because it required self-incrimination, thus violating the Fifth Amendment. This decision helped prompt a congressional review of national drug policy and led to the dreadfully flawed Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and President Nixon’s declaration of a war on drugs in 1971.

Law enforcement’s overwhelming focus on marijuana arrests plays out in all kinds of sickening ways that are difficult to quantify. One recent example is Ramarley Graham, the 18-year-old who was chased into his home and fatally shot by police officers as he tried to flush a small amount of marijuana down the toilet. Every day thousands of young people in communities of color are subjected to invasive stop-and-frisks – ostensibly intended to remove weapons from our streets, but much more often resulting in low-level marijuana arrests. Thanks to policies like these, there are more black people under correctional supervision today than were enslaved in 1850 – and millions more are saddled with criminal records that relegate them to lifelong status as second-class citizens.

Perhaps the most peculiar hypocrisy of all this is that the federal government regularly supplies a handful of patients with marijuana produced by the National Institute on Drug Abuse – while telling the rest of the world there’s no such thing as medical marijuana. Starting in the 1970s, the Compassionate Investigational New Drug program supplied medical marijuana to seriously ill patients until it stopped taking new applicants in 1992 and the few people in the program at that time were grandfathered in. Today, the DEA raids medical marijuana dispensaries operating legally under state law on a near-daily basis and our drug czar is statutorily required to oppose any efforts to change the legal status of marijuana or other illegal drugs, effectively impeding and undermining state and local governments willing to try a new approach to sensibly regulating marijuana.

While states and localities were responsible for initiating marijuana prohibition, today they are vital to repealing it. Sixteen states and the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana laws, while voters in Colorado and Washington will decide this November whether to regulate marijuana like alcohol. Let’s make this 75th anniversary the beginning of the end of marijuana prohibition.

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#432862 - 03/13/12 12:12 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: Amanda Syme]
Judyann H. Offline
Originally Posted By: Amanda Syme
My vote is absolutely, unequivocally NO.


I AGREE!
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#432864 - 03/13/12 12:26 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Judyann H. Offline
Simply my personal experience and thoughts.....Hope this does not make you mad at me!

Currently living in Northern California on a lake near a park. Very upscale homes; everyday I have to chase off a bunch of pot smokers. The smell lofts through my open windows as I simply want the lake breezes....The RAP music blasts at top volume because they are too numb and dumb to hear....I call the police who tell me they can't do anything....I call the Feds and they come.....Yes, maybe medically, discreetly, privately between the patient and the doctor.....However, I would hate to see the same economic and cognitive destruction I have seen in California happen to the pleasant people of Belize. We don't see other people with medical ailments hanging out in groups taking their medication in public.
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#432869 - 03/13/12 01:53 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
elbert Offline
If Belize changed the law and decriminalized marijuana the US would be getting involved in changing it back!
Belize would have to be ready to 'Just Say No'to the US enticements/extortion to get Belize law changed back.
Like it or not the US influence is so strong that in order for Belize to have decriminalized pot the US would have to do it first.
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#432870 - 03/13/12 02:47 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Diane Campbell Offline

I think we're back to "don't ask don't tell" on this one.

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#432919 - 03/14/12 08:30 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: elbert]
bywarren Offline
Elbert: If I agreed with you, we both would be wrong. The US could care less about consumption of drugs outside the US. Their focus is on the transport of drugs to the US. As long as Belize keeps up its feeble efforts to do that, the US will continue to provide aid no matter how many joints don’t get people arrested in Belize.

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#433019 - 03/15/12 08:36 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
LaurieMar Offline
JudyA, don't you know that Northern California is often referred to as the "Emerald Triangle?" Yes, we have had "economic destruction" here due to the world wide recession, but "cognitive destruction" might be over exaggerating.

I say they decriminalize it and tax it. Bet it would bring in a lot of revenue.

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#433037 - 03/15/12 12:25 PM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Judyann H. Offline
That's funny....No, I had not heard the Emerald Triangle Term...Sadly we have first hand experience in witnessing the Cognitive Destruction. Our business in California employs skilled labor in the Construction Industry.....Even in this high unemployment environment it's challenging to find skilled labor. Nearly 2 out of every 3 people we hire do not show up when we ask them to complete the drug screening. This is after several interviews through the process. We have lots of sad stories to include a staff member who started using POT after 6 years with us.....His labor skills declined and he became a danger when using power tools, in addition he suddenly could not think straight and had incredibly volatile mood swings. During a meeting he stated he 'preferred smoke over work'....That was his last day.....So sad to see and hear....Not to worry he collected unemployment on our dime for 24 months and now has filed for State disability.......I can't help but think if he had never started using drugs maybe he would still be working here.......We'll have to see how it plays out....
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#434352 - 03/29/12 09:36 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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Guat President Proposes Drug Decriminalization At Summit; Belize Says...?

Foreign Minister Wilfred Elrington has returned from Central American Drug Summit which was held in Antigua, Guatemala.

The meeting is making world news tonight because Guatemala's President Otto Perez Molina proposed legalizing and regulating drug and the drug trade.

His proposal would see the regulation of the trans-shipment of drugs - creating a regional corridor for the transport of drugs and establishing border controls for the proper registry of the movement of drugs.

He also proposes the legalization of the consumption of drugs with all necessary.

And while it may seem radical, proponents argue that it is the only rational response to curtail illicit trafficking activity which has taken over a portion of Guatemala's north-eastern Peten and has taken thousands of lives throughout Mexico.

So what position did Belize's Foreign Minster take? We discussed that with him today at his Belize City Office:

Hon. Wilfred Elrington - Minister of Foreign Affairs
"Yeah, it was a somewhat surprising to think that the newly elected president of Guatemala would have brought it on so quickly. I don't think anybody expected that. The United States regards the whole question of drug trafficking as a national security treat, a treat to their national security, and that no useful discussion could really be taken by the countries of the region, on this subject without the presence of the United States."

Jules Vasquez
"Might we not say that President Molina was bold and perhaps prescient in his thinking and that those among the group how were caution are simply kowtowing to the United States?"

Hon. Wilfred Elrington
"President Otto Perez Molina was bold. In terms of prescient I don't necessarily agree with you, that's because it is my own view that happens around the world, that really and truly, it is really these super powers that set the agenda and the pace for the rest of the world. So if they see this as a national security treat, and they genuinely believe that, nothing that we do in this region outside of the collaboration with them, stands any chance of succeeding because they are so powerful and so dominant. Therefore, if we are thinking so seriously about solving the problem, the solution will have to be, to my mind, one which is arrived at in collaboration with them."

Jules Vasquez
"Would you say the proposal has picked up traction or that it has not?"

Hon. Wilfred Elrington
"I don't think that it is a proposal that can rarely gain traction, in the absence of the United States being around the table, because as I'm saying we are peripheral actors, we are not principal actors. This is a major issue that concerns the security interest of the super power in the world, not only the region but the world. And how can you discuss a matter that affects the national security interest of the world's super power, without having that super power at the table?"

Jules Vasquez
"Yes, but we are not slave states. The super power is bankrupt and ineffective in its effort to try and stem either the demand for drugs or effectively reduce the supply."

Hon. Wilfred Elrington
"I never agree with the view that the super power is ineffective and bankrupt."

Jules Vasquez
"Well, we will have to judge by the results, Minister"

Hon. Wilfred Elrington
"I will never ever make that statement and concur with that statement at all."

Officially, the meeting failed to arrive at a consensus. Notably, the Presidents of Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua did not attend. Only Panama's President, Ricardo Martinelli and Costa Rica's President Laura Chinchilla attended.

The so-called "northern triangle" of the Central American isthmus, comprising, El Salvador, Guatemala, Belize and Honduras form what is considered the most violent region on earth.

And so, the subject of drug decriminalization isn't going away, Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos has put it on the agenda for discussion at next month's Summit of the Americas.

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#434356 - 03/29/12 09:39 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Marty Offline

Guatemala President proposes to legalize drugs and shipment route

Otto Perez Molina

With escalating violence in the region, decriminalizing the transportation of drugs heading to the US has become a hot topic. The idea was first broached by the Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina. He has been lobbying for support because he believes that in the war on drugs, US assistance has not reduced the drug trade or trafficking. As we reported, last week Saturday, Minister of Foreign Affairs Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington and Minister of National Security John Saldivar attended a meeting in Antigua, Guatemala. Elrington explains that the president of Costa Rica wants the region to be paid for the confiscation of drugs. But is Perez Molina’s proposal gaining ground? Elrington says Perez Molina’s plan has four proposals.

 

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington

“These proposals dealt essentially with the issue of the decriminalizing drug trafficking. The meeting was preceded by discussions or papers dealing with drug trafficking and the decriminalization thereof and these papers were presented by an ex-President of Colombia and an ex-Secretary General of the OAS, Mister Cesar Gavira. Another was from PAHO, an expert and another from the Carter Center. And all these people spoke on the issue of the decriminalization on the consumption of drugs—not necessarily drug trafficking but the consumption. President Perez Molina then presented four proposal and these proposals related to one; a frontal attack on trafficking as is being done in Mexico, two; the creation of a regional court with regional jurisdiction to deal with high profile crimes in the region such as narco-trafficking, money laundering, trafficking in weapons; three, the issue of the decriminalization and regulation of the transshipment of drugs. This entails designing and creating a corridor for the transport of drugs and establishing border controls for the proper registry for the movement of drugs, creating a regional agency for the control and management and the shipment of drugs. And four, the issue of the legalization of the consumption of drugs with all necessary legislation put into place; taking into consideration the production, consumption and transshipment. A supervising agency will be created to oversee all logistics. So it is really major matters he wanted to discuss. President Chinchilla of Costa Rica, who was present, proposed that United States and major drug consuming nations be asked to pay the region a certain quota for every kilo of drugs confiscated as a direct contribution to the fight. As I indicated to you earlier, we had certainly made the observation that it’s drug trafficking and it is really seen as a national security interest for the United States so that they would not be in favor of these proposals and we did not think that in fact any fruitful discussion of these issues could take place in the absence of a representative from the United States.”

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#434357 - 03/29/12 09:40 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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Foreign Minister says U.S. must have a say in drug situation

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington

Elrington says that the discussion caught most country representatives off-guard and that the situation was somewhat confusing as some representatives thought it might have been a Central American Integration System (SICA) meeting. But how does Belize fit in? Elrington’s response was that the meeting should not be held without the United States which considers drug trafficking as a national security issue.

 

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington, Minister of Foreign Affairs

“Really and truly there was some confusion. It seemed to have been an initiative on the part of the Guatemalan president, Otto Perez Molina. It was an idea that he had to discuss the question of the decriminalization of drug trafficking and drug consumption it seems in the region. This was an unusual type of meeting because we hadn’t gotten any advance information as to precisely what would have been discussed. It was not until we got there and the meeting started that he articulated the four points that he had in mind—matters involving drug trafficking and the like. and the use to which the resources that would be put from the proceeds of regulated sales of drugs; it seems to me.”

 

Jose Sanchez

“Why would we need a court if it would be decriminalized? What was your impression, what was your reaction to hearing the proposal?”

 

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington

“I think most people were a little surprised and taken a back. It really should have been; it was not clear. Normally when we meet, we meet as a SICA group and a SICA meeting. The Secretary General of SICA who was present declared almost when he got up to speak that it really wasn’t a SICA meeting also. The Nicaraguan Representative who was there, I think he was a vice-minister, he wanted to know what really was it—what kind of meeting it was. But we did not articulate that publically. So it was a little confusing. It was intended to be a summit of all the presidents and Prime Ministers of the SICA region, [but] it turned out that only the Panamanian president and the Costa Rican president turned up along with the Guatemalan president.”

 

Jose Sanchez

“Did anyone agree with Guatemalan President?”

 

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington

“No. actually as I said, it took most people by surprise and people expressed views on the matter. When it was our turn to speak on it, I said that the trafficking of drugs in this region, as far as we are aware, is regarded as a national security interest for the United States and that the United States would see it as inimical to their interest to have any of the counties in this region think about decriminalizing drug trafficking and the use of drugs. And given their power and dominance in the region, it would not be helpful for us in the region to be discussing it without in fact the presence of the United States. You can’t realistically discuss it and expect to come to any conclusion if in fact you did not have the United States at the table because of course they control what happens in the region.”

 

Jose Sanchez

“But what would be our country’s viewpoint? To me it sounds like something that would go against our constitution, our justice system would consider to be criminal.”

 

Wilfred ‘Sedi’ Elrington

“This as I said, we did not get any brief from the Guatemalan or SICA as to precisely what they would have been discussing. And it is not a matter that the Belize government has discussed and taken a position on. I do know that late last year, Minister Singh had raised the thought of certainly not prosecuting people found with small quantities and there are some countries in the world that in fact allow the sale of marijuana for medicinal purposes.”

 

Aside from Guatemala and Costa Rica, the only other president present was from Panama.

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#434422 - 03/30/12 09:56 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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U.S. Under Secretary responds to Guatemala Drug Proposal

The Under Secretary of State Maria Otero is the highest ranking U.S. diplomat to visit Belize in recent times. Otero is responsible for foreign relations on civilian security issues; including democracy, human rights, trafficking in persons and counter-narcotics. Since Otero arrived on Wednesday, she has been meeting with Non-governmental organizations and government officials to discuss a myriad of issues. Earlier today, News Five asked Otero what were her impressions of Guatemala’s President Otto Perez Molina’s regional meeting with leaders during which he sought to decriminalize drug consumption and establish a legal route for narco-trafficking.

 

Maria Otero, Under Secretary of State

Maria Otero

“Our sense of that meeting and certainly our own position which continues to be the position that we have held; is a position that does not believe that decriminalizing drugs is the proper approach to dealing with it. This is the position the United States has held and will continue to hold. We don’t believe that that is really the way to be able to address this issue. We note also that the countries in Central America agreed with that decision—they also questioned whether decriminalizing is the approach that we can take to this issue. Clearly as we are trying to address the threat that drug trafficking presents for the societies in Central America and certainly globally, we look at the role they are playing; it’s useful to have a debate, a discussion, on all possible alternatives for dealing with the issue. So certainly being able to discuss this topic is something that we welcome, but our position continues to be the one that we have held since the beginning. My visit represents the priority that President Obama and Secretary Clinton have for our bilateral relationship and partnership with Belize. Suring my visit I have had the opportunity to meet leaders, officials, to reaffirm our close partnership with the Belizean people. I have been impressed by the caliber of so many of your dedicated public officials working hard in ministries, hand in hand with the members of civil society to tackle some of the most difficult challenges facing Belize today—from corruption and gang violence to creating economic opportunity for all the members of the Belizean society. The United States is pleased that Prime Minister Barrow ahs prioritized these issues for the second term of his administration and we look forward to working together to tackles these complex challenges with concrete advancement and resource. Our nations share common aspirations and common challenges including transnational organized crime, drug trafficking.”

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#434876 - 04/05/12 08:18 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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#434889 - 04/05/12 09:59 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
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Sedi second take on decriminalizing transportation of drugs

A regional security conference was held recently in Antigua, Guatemala. It was widely reported in the international press because the president of Guatemala is proposing to decriminalize the transportation of drugs through Central America. It is part of an unusual plan to combat the large scale escalation of violence that has resulted from drug trafficking. Wilfred Elrington, the foreign Minister, who was at the conference, has already made initial statements on the topic. He wants the US and the UK involved in the debate but today he says that he is more concerned about health than on the criminality of the issue.

Wilfred “Sedi” Elrington

“The country of Belize has basically taken the position as articulated by the British, the Americans and all our major allies that this is an issue that is inimical to a national security interest and that in fact we should treat it as criminal offense and that is the position which we have taken all along. There have been individuals who have had different positions. I personally have long thought that really it’s a health issue, not so much a criminal issue. 01:08:48 I know people who smoke marijuana every day of their lives who are smarter than I am, who are more competent than I am, who physically seem to be better equipped than I am. I don’t see any harm being done to them at all, at all, at all and they don’t behave bad in any way.”

Marleni Cuellar

Wilfred “Sedi” Elrington

“Do you feel that it should be decriminalized?”

Wilfred “Sedi” Elrington

“I think we should engage in the debate. I certainly don’t think that persons who are found with a little bit of marijuana should be incarcerated. I don’t think so at all. I don’t think you’re helping them, as a matter of fact I think you’re harming the society. A little man who you find with one stick of marijuana, you will lock up. You leave a wife there, you leave five kids there, and nobody to provide for them. How can that make sense? Who is he harming by having a little stick of marijuana? Especially in a place like Belize. I think we have to think these things through. Now I could be wholly wrong but that is my view. The important thing is though I think that we in Belize should start the debate and I think that’s the point that the Guatemalan president was making. We in Central America need to start the debate because what is good for the United States isn’t necessarily good for us. What the Belize position is as far as I know is that we are prepared to discuss these issues with the region and with a representative of the United States or the United Kingdom, the super power in the region because I believe that really and truly it is sterile to discuss it in their absence because in final analysis you will only move forward with their concurrence. And to be truthful, the position of Barrack Obama seems to be changing somewhat. He’s no longer articulating the expression “war against drugs” and they are trying to move more towards the area of seeing it as a health problem.”

And in respect of the slew of election petitions, Elrington says that it’s a good move since voters need to think before they put their X on the ballot.

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#435089 - 04/07/12 07:23 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Gaz Cooper Offline
Very few people are aware that in 2001 Portugal became the first country ever to decriminalize possession of all drugs for personal use, including Coke, Weed, Meth, Heroine etc

If caught with any drug instead of going to prison you are offered help and go before a panel however if you refuse you are not subject to any punishment.

The results of this was that Portugals drug use rate dropped as did HIV infections from shared needles however treatment doubled but that was free and provided by the money saved.

Portugals move to decriminalize all drugs has been considered a resounding success.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

You cant argue with what has proven to work against the current situation which obviously is not working.

Gaz


Edited by Gaz Cooper (04/07/12 07:36 AM)
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#435122 - 04/07/12 10:43 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Diane Campbell Offline
Very interesting Gaz.

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#435165 - 04/08/12 07:47 AM Re: Belize to decriminalize marijuana? [Re: ColdwellBankerSP]
Bear Offline
I agree. I'd like to think Portugal could be representative of the US but somehow...


I am really tripped out by the proposal to decrim drug transport (which I think is the big one here)...I think that is going to stir up a shitstorm for the foreign ministers of the countries even considering this. I am not saying the assessments of effectiveness are wrong but I dont think Uncle Sammy is going to be, or is, overly pleased with Guatemala at the moment, nor are they, or will they be with other countries that are awakening to the idea...

This is definitely one worth following.

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