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Posted By: ScubaLdy Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 03:47 AM
I just received a personal response from Petco regarding donating dog collars. Is there anyone out there in the USA who would care to pursue this?

I received your letter requesting collars to be donated. In order to consider an Application for Support from a group outside of the United States you need to secure an umbrella organization within the United States. The PETCO Foundation may only donate to animal welfare groups with a 501(c)(3) tax determination status from the IRS. This umbrella organization would make the request on your behalf and then arrange for the product to be donated to you.

Please access our web site, www.petco.com and click on PETCO Community then PETCO Foundation/Application for Support. This will explain the procedures and provide the forms necessary to apply for support through the Foundation including product donations. You would need to provide us with the sku numbers of the products you would like to have donated, quantity and then what PETCO store the product may be pick up. We cannot ship it to you in Belize and it would be your responsibility to get it from the U.S. to there provided the request is granted.

Best wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions.





Paul Jolly

Vice President and Director

PETCO Foundation

626-287-0952 office

626-287-9704 fax


BTW - Yesterday I was told that either Friday or Saturday the town poisoned three more dogs. This occurred on the south end of the bridge where a number of dogs hang out. The guy who told me this(and he lives right there)said he usually kept his dog tied up but had let him loose that night and he was one of the three. Jr. took full responsibility for this and seemed to feel that the town was doing the right thing.

I am not writing this to get another FLAME going - just to stress the need for a better program.
Posted By: Laguna Punta Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 10:43 AM
Hi Harriette: Curiousity compelles me to ask what is the great need for dog collars. Dog owners can afford such necessities along with leashes to walk their pet. Stray dogs cause many problems in San Pedro...molested trash cans, dog fights, creation of other strays, and serious health issues. A collar on a stray dog does nothing...only a leashed dog either in a yard or during a walkabout addresses these issues. I feel badly for the stray or homeless animal...their problem is not of their making. Take care: Bill
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 02:43 PM
Bill, You sound like you know a lot about a dogs life! grin
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 02:54 PM
Bill: that is the sound of reason. Good for you for saying it.
Posted By: Amanda Syme Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 04:08 PM
Harriette

Saga used to have that tax status in the US. Perhaps seeking help and donations should be an endeavor better pursued by the Humane society board of directors.

I agree with Bill. Stray dogs are a problem and putting a collar on a stray does not make him automatically become a pet or a useful member of the community.

I wish people that say they love their pets would either leash them or keep them contained in their yards. It is disgusting and unhealthy to see all of the dog mess on the beaches and streets of San Pedro. Strays are not regularly fed or dewormed nor do they receive all of the necessary shots that ensure their health - and the health of those around them.


And if people really love their pets why don't they have the animals spayed/neutered. Do we really need to continue breeding mutts? We are fortunate enough to have a resident vet who has the necessary equipment to routinely "fix" our pets.

I don't like the fact that this town needs to destroy/cull strays, but until people start taking responsibility for their pets this will be an on going situation.


Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 09:20 PM
I've got a great idea lets start another big thread about dogs!
sarcasm is dangerous in print isn't it.'Because it is vocally oriented, sarcasm can be difficult to grasp in written form and is easily misinterpreted.'. I don't mean that guys .aren't we all just a little tired of the dog threads.
Posted By: SP Daily Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 09:45 PM
If you are "tired of the dog threads" then don't read them. It's your choice.
The stray dog situation is a major problem and the present method of reduction is a poor solution. A better more humane method is needed but costs $$.
Funding SAGA could be the answer.
Posted By: TrueLover Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/23/07 10:17 PM
Most of us love dogs. There are several things that contribute to the problem as I see it.
1. Dogs are trained easiest by food. Trash without enclosures is training dogs to go look for food, escape from a yard if neccessary. The dogs are doing what they were trained to do.
2. There are no consequences for having no enclosure around your trash but certainly that is how dogs, racoons, and other critters spread the trash around. Make the fines for no trash enclosure the same or worse as littering.
3. A trained dog is a joy in every way but there are few qualified trainers here.
4. Install a liscense fee to pay for some of the costs encurred to relocate a dog to a new owner if neccessary. Also nueter any dog found wandering whether it has a collar or not.
5. The days when dogs could roam free without their owners are past. Left out to feed by foraging at night, allowed to form packs, bark at everything all night whether it's anywhere close to home? In what universe is this OK or should be tolerated. Just wanting cheap security is not a reason to have a dog yet that is how many feel. In short order their will be more and more dogs.
6. There needs to be fines and they should be paid or jail time. They should increase with repeat offenses. If not Nationwide at least here on the Island.

I've known free roaming dogs that were cool but the rules should apply to everyone. I don't believe in leash laws but I do believe if a dog is agressive or uncontrolable by the owner they should leash it. Owners need to bear the responsibility for their pets habits and actions. Most definitely there needs to be more awarenes on the care and training of pets. To simply put out poison is too risky and short sighted. It will not stop the problem in fact it hides the problems. Dogs should not suffer from our inadaquacies. We are Gods to them and their caretakers.
Posted By: Laguna Punta Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/24/07 07:11 AM
ARF ARF eek ps. Punishment of innocent,unenclosed trash cans is not the solution.
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/24/07 01:22 PM
The problem is not dogs running around without collars or leashes. The problem is too many unwanted, uncared for, i.e.: feral animals on the island and the Town Board's solution is to put out poison meat. The same solution they have used for many years and will probably continue to use unless all you self proclaimed dog lovers find a better way. That means catching and killing, or maybe it sounds better to say "send to dog heaven", the unwanted ones.

Saga used to have a program of neutering and spaying the dogs and cats and then turning them loose again. To me that is cruel and I did not support them. Spayed and neutered animals die of starvation and disease just like those that aren't. Animals that do not have an owner to take care of them that are left to scavenge for food and die of disease are much better off in the next world. I would be interested in knowing Saga's current position.
Posted By: JZB Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/24/07 04:30 PM
I think the stray dog population has dramatically decreased over the last several years because of the work of Saga and the town board. The dogs saga put back out on the street at least were not able to make more strays. Surely, they would not release a sick or aggressive dog.

My dog Junior is one of those dogs that were fixed by Saga and released. He used to live at Ramons with about 4 other dogs under the beach chairs. Every time we would pass by the beach he would follow us around for the day and end right back up at Ramons, until one day he realized our food was better than Ramons and he never went back except to visit his buddies once and a while. All those dogs were happy, healthy, and well fed (thanks to the tourists).

I've owned several dogs in my life but Junior is one of the most loyal and well behaved. The thought that he could have been destroyed just because some human was careless and didn't care for him is heartbreaking. I thank Saga for having him.
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/24/07 06:35 PM
If every stray animal could be adopted like yours, there would not be a problem. That is not the case.
Posted By: belizeonthebeach Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/25/07 05:51 AM
I still don't get the topic of this thread.
Why exactly are they begging for free dog collars?
If you are gonna beg for free shit beg for some food or medicine for the SAGA folks.
A snappy collar on a pot licker will not solve anything.
It will just dress up the 'hood a little.
Maybe I am missing something.
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/25/07 02:30 PM
whistle
Posted By: TrueLover Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/25/07 11:49 PM
Hey JZB, my friend also adopted one of the dogs that hung around Ramones. But like you said, your dog liked your food better. It's not just food but care and avoiding nuisances. Trigger as he is now called was called Red dog or Bones. He was very thin, weak, dehydrated and probably fed mostly on bones. he is now one of the strongest dogs I've seen and the best swimmer. But he is always fed well, drinks water without chlorine in it ot the grime from the street. He is also very grateful for his new life and a perfect watch dog. He gets his heart worm every month and isn't covered in ticks and fleas. It's not just about us. Most the bad these dogs have to deal with we never see because they are not on a beach being your best friend at the table at those times. Of course I haven't thought much about it. wink
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by belizeonthebeach
I still don't get the topic of this thread.
Why exactly are they begging for free dog collars?
A snappy collar on a pot licker will not solve anything.
It will just dress up the 'hood a little.
Maybe I am missing something.

There is a belief, and probably some truth to it, that the Town Board doesn't poison dogs that wear collars, assuming that dog has an owner and is cared for. However putting a collar on all the strays will backfire and the poisoner won't use that criteria any more putting in jeopardy the other dogs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 02:42 PM
Since there seems little doubt that poison was thrown into locked yards that supposed distinction is academic.
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 05:16 PM
I disagree with you peter.
The collar rule was in effect for many years and the indiscriminate poisoning was hopefully an incident, and not the norm.
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 06:01 PM
So you think when he throws out the poison meat he watches to see if a dog with a coller on tries to eat it.
Posted By: SP Daily Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 06:04 PM
Or a child?
Posted By: Short Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by elbert

There is a belief, and probably some truth to it, that the Town Board doesn't poison dogs that wear collars, assuming that dog has an owner and is cared for. However putting a collar on all the strays will backfire and the poisoner won't use that criteria any more putting in jeopardy the other dogs.


Thanks for clarifying that Elbert - I was totally confused about the intention of this subject too. ScubaLdy, I hope you are not serious about putting our pets at risk with this plan.

What happened to all the initiatives after the big poisoning to control the stray population in a humane way? Has Saga changed their policy yet not to release animals without owners, because that would probably eliminate the necessity for the Town Board to poison strays.
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/26/07 07:14 PM
I'm saying that the rule in the past has been to give the poison to dogs without collars, thus eliminating the obvious uncared for and unattended. Giving all dogs collars will circumvent this effort to not poison dogs with owners and will back fire on you. The recent incidents are not the norm.
Does it sound at all like I think any poisoning is a good idea?
I do not believe any poisoning is a responsible act.
Posted By: Laguna Punta Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/27/07 01:25 PM
Saga is a great place to adopt a pet. I've adopted "Lily", named by Jim Hanna's daughter, Dani...and she has been a joy. My friend Garcia and his family keep her...I get to walk her and pay for heart worm medicine and collars. Many of the stay dogs of Ambergris Caye have medical issues...heart worm, ect, but, I am sure that the staff at Saga would be pleased to assist a rescued animal effort.
Posted By: Jason Bloom Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/27/07 02:35 PM
I am fairly new to this board and am confused by "poisoning". Do you mean they pick up strays and euthenize them, or do you mean they are putting out poison for random dogs to pick up. I am an owner of 2 dogs and know that sometimes even your best efforts to keep up with them can still not work. Sometimes a dog digs under a fence, or finds a way around it, or someone comes to the house and leaves the gate open. Are these dogs at risk? I hope not. Are collared dogs currently at risk for indiscriminate poisoning?
Posted By: Jason Bloom Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/27/07 03:05 PM
Also, I am moving there in October with 2 dogs. Has anyone had any experience with transporting pets from the States to Belize. Thanks alot
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/27/07 03:23 PM
If you use the search function you will get more information than you want.
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 07/27/07 04:51 PM
Jason,
I have two and sometimes three dogs. I've been here 20 years and always have had dogs that are not on a leash or confined and never had one poisoned. I'm sure to have them collared though and immediately repair/replace collars on my dogs because of this method of dog population control.I've brought dogs into the country and recently, if you need details on the technique email me.
Lately we have had some hysteria on the part of the public about a dog poisoning by the health department that went overboard, You really have little to be concerned about. Its a great place for dogs.
Posted By: Neecee Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 08/04/07 04:47 PM
I just called Petco and will bring down what I can next week.
Posted By: elbert Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 08/04/07 05:15 PM
Your not paying attention are you.
Posted By: bywarren Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 08/04/07 06:32 PM
Maybe they have had a private conversation with Scubaldy and know something the rest of us don't since Scubaldy started this thread but has not let the rest of us in on her idea.
Posted By: ScubaLdy Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 08/04/07 11:17 PM
Warren - et al

So sorry if you feel left out. I (ahem) assumed (I know) everyone had read the LONG thread about the dog thing so I didn't go into a lot of detail.

Basically what my plan was to try to get something started here on AC like the Turks and Cacois did. Sun and San found us that wonderful web site. They started by educating the school children and providing them collars to put on their PET dogs. Not intended for street dogs.

Next step was to set up an entrapment program and spay/nurture all collard dogs before releasing them to find their way home. Euphemize the non collard dogs.

According to the web site they had the problem under control within a year.
Posted By: SP Daily Re: Dogs & Dog Collars - 08/05/07 12:05 AM
The kids will have lotsa fun putting collars on every dog they see...but they won't be allowed to "adopt" them. There's a cultural disconnect with that program.
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