adman, yes, as we said, we defend our own. but don't diss marty either, i will defend him too, as he is da man. i would not lump him in with gboy and the like.

that said, marty, the way you phrased your above words implies that you think some of us don't have class. i don't think that is like you. don't punish all the kids for the crimes of a few.