Yo bnu, fyi bywarren's experience in local aviation is exceeded only by his knowledge of same. a partial list of his MANY accomplishments here include piloting the first Beach Barron, Cessna 441, and Mitsubishi MU2 to San Pedro. this at a time when the "airport" was little more than a 2000' sand strip. he also counseled many future San Pedrano pilots and provided medivacs at his own expense. i submit to you sir that bywarren has forgotten more about local aviation than you will ever know, and respectfully suggest that you pick a fight with someone less gracious and knowledgeable.