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Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10240
10/16/00 09:57 AM
10/16/00 09:57 AM
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I repeat -
Seems like this is a good time to do some home owner education re: these tie downs. How could we go about doing it?
Sandshaker,
Marty,
Rod,
Ray Auxillou,
ANYONE ... please answer!
Who could most effectively be approached to get out 'the word'? How? And who should approach them?
Happy to do what I can from here (or there if I can be of help) but locals usually need to be educated by trusted 'knowns'.

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10241
10/16/00 10:19 AM
10/16/00 10:19 AM

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Hurricane straps versus building codes
Some years ago, you had two choices on Caye Caulker. You built for a
hurricane, or you didn't In wood, building for a hurricane, meant posts
that went down about 7 feet. Normally people only dig 3 feet. It also
meant that all floor sills and roofing sills had to be mortise and tenon
lap joints. The roof itself had to be gabled. I think that is the right
world. But it is where the roof comes into the center from all four
corners. There are four ridge lines. The reason for this is, that
hurricane winds press the roof on the house and not lift it off. Anybody
with a flat sided end on the house roof will invariably have damage or
lose it. You also put 10 inch by quarter inch thick iron corner iron,
thru bolted, not nailed, but thru bolted. The only houses on Caye
Caulker that survived Hurricane Hattie in 1961 were so built. That is a
right angled bracket on all floor sills to the upright studs and to house
posts. Also all roof trusses are done the same way, with iron right
angles thru bolted.

The other choice is to not build for strength, but build for blow away,
were you want a total loss. This latter was my own philosphy. Insure for
replacement cost and build cheap so nothing survives. Throwaway house.

Insurance companies in Belize in recent years now will not for the most
part insure a wooden house.
The cement construction on the Cayes is very much stronger than any
equivalent building codes in South Florida. Here it is a joke. The only
code that is sensible, is the hurricane window shutter code, which has to
stand a 2 x 4 lumber spit out of a air gun at 120 mph like a bullet from
15 feet away. I have seen concrete sills in Hurricane Andrew literally
be blown away. They don't put enough steel rod and tie them together
enough. That hurricane shutter gun by the way will put a 2 x 4 through a
cement block wall. in a nice hole.

Cement is the best choice with lots of tie in steel in Belize. But the
roofs have to be tied down and use angle iron, through bolted to all
joists and trusses. The roof itself has to be gabled. Then you will
survive everything, but a tidal surge that can dig out your foundation.
But even so, the house should stay intact, though it may be tossed on an
angle, or side.

Ray Auxillou

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10242
10/16/00 10:19 AM
10/16/00 10:19 AM
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I know some folks use them, Chris Berlin had them on his home.

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10243
10/16/00 10:39 AM
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But how do we go about getting the people who need to be aware of what they need to know? AND
What's the cost factor?

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10244
10/17/00 12:20 PM
10/17/00 12:20 PM
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I'm an architect and have been a builder in Colorado and California. I am very familiar with most of the Strong Tie Connectors. I will be arriving in SP tomorrow and I will be in SP for most of Nov. I would be willing to talk to anyone interested. My local number is 2514.

Anybody know if the power has made it to Boca Del Rio yet?

Dan

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10245
10/17/00 01:30 PM
10/17/00 01:30 PM
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To Sailer
I live in Arvada Colorado and had plans to go to Ambergris the 10th of Oct. My wife and I bought a lot down there last May and I was going down there to look into what it was going to take to put a small home on it. I have put those plans off for now.But if at all possible I would like to talk to you before you left. Maybe I could e-mail you my phone number or you could let me know how I could contact you.Only if you have the time thank you Forrest
[email protected]

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10246
10/18/00 12:03 PM
10/18/00 12:03 PM

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What happened to the nice, informative hardware man? Please sir, could you contact your source and your company and see how much you can help to get better houses built?

I hate to harang and nag but time is a wastin' as the saying goes. You really sound knowledgable and could do so much to prevent damages in the future.

The collection folks and the plane are leaving soon from Houston. A big box of these ties needs to be on that plane.

Can anyone else help to take this chore on?
Help!

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10247
10/18/00 01:30 PM
10/18/00 01:30 PM
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I've heard nothing from the Simpson Strong Tie Co. Has anyone else? Did everyone send them an email?

Idea Lady - I agree that 'now is the time..." but who do you mean by "...the nice, informative hardware man?"

Rod Allen - could you make contact with Sailor & work out something with the Town Board, or the Development Trust (or who ever is appropriate) to arrange to talk with folks about what is needed? ties, cement houses, roof types, etc.....

Sailor - please email me? I have other questions for you. [email protected] Thx.

jude in FL

Re: Hurricane straps for roofs #10248
10/18/00 04:04 PM
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been reading about the cane ties, they do help but more that that the wood spacing needs to be atleast on 2 foot centers or better. I have a wood building with ties and it stood the storm very well howerver i am 12" oc on the floor and 16"oc for the rest of the building and it stands to stories high. Ties on a building that is on 4 foot centers and with no ceiling joists or roof supports is just not a strong built structure to start with. I looked at many of the structures after the storm that lost the roofs and did not see any built less than 2 foot oc. Just my opinion after a recent survey looking at the homes.

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