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Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194524
04/30/06 04:45 PM
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Alcohol legal= tax money , alcohol illegal = no tax money , alcohol made legal again = tax money. Off, how???

Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194525
04/30/06 04:49 PM
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tax revenues, or loss there of, was not the mitigating factor....go read up.


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Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194526
04/30/06 05:04 PM
04/30/06 05:04 PM
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Do the names JosepH Kennedy, Joseph Bannanno, Lucky Luciano, Myer Lansky, Al Capone, ring a bell. When individals and organizations make more money and have more influance than the government why do you think alcohol was once again legalized.

Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194527
04/30/06 05:11 PM
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Also big bussinesses like Calver and Seagrams aplying pressure on the government may have contributed just alittle don't you think.

Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194528
04/30/06 05:42 PM
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Chris

As you know I travel to Holland every 5-6 weeks and have been doing that for the past 5 years every 6 weeks or so and you are slightly off about the Shroom availability in Amsterdam so here a run of the deal (excuse the pun)on the drug scene in Amsterdam and holland.

1.) Pot of all sorts is available and the menu's in coffee shops offer more than 15 types of pot, hash, cannabis,space cakes, marijuana etc available to the purchaser and these are purchased via what is called a coffee shop which specifically is there for smoking drugs legally,

Alchohol is NOT available in these coffee shops. you are right they are required to be licensed to be able to sell however it is illegal to deal drugs so you have an oxymoron there as the coffee shops have to buy from a dealer to get there supply.

Smoking on the street or in other public places such as a regular bar is frowned upon and mostly its the tourists that make that mistake and a polite word from a police officer or bar owner ususally is sufficient to correct them. The only place to smoke without hassle is the coffee shops although you will not be bothered smoking in a public place unless someone makes a complaint.

Contrary to peoples belief pot is NOT LEGAL in Holland it is decrimanalized meaning the law turns a blind eye to it much like mexico is going to do HOWEVER Cocaine,Crack,Heroin,and X is ILLEGAL and penalties are harsh if caught.

You are allowed to grow 5 pot plants in your home any more than that and you will be considered a dealer of which the consequneces are dire.

A large variety of Mushrooms from all over the world are available and can be purchased from any gift shop in Amsterdam and are offered in dried, fresh, spores, even a grow your own kit.
There is no regulation on selling mushrooms and literally there are tons of shops in Amsterdam that you can buy any variety of shrooms legally over the counter (must be 18 years old)

Someone mentioned that other drugs are not available in Amsterdam, Reaper is right anything is available in Amsterdam they even sell all sorts of drug parafenalia in gift shops all over Amsterdam including cocaine kits allsorts of ways to smoke, tools to conceal your drugs on your person its actually shocking what they sell.

Heres where I might get some slack

After more than 12 years visiting holland on a very regular basis (9 times a year or so for the last 5 years in a row)I have to say that I personally have not nor do not see a problem with regards to pot use in holland.

Amsterdam is a tourist place and its the tourists that mainly go there and smoke there brains out the locals really dont have the same mentality as visitors do probably becuase it is available in any town in holland and there nobody telling them they cannot use it so it is used by locals much like you take a beer or a rum and coke.

I personally do not smoke and i have to say the people I hang out with there DO NOT SMOKE POT (with exception of 1 person) nor do harder drugs
and I constantly look to see if I can see a difference in the attitudes and there really is a lack of concern with smoking pot, those that do, go to the coffee shop or smoke at home and those that dont are not bothered by it nor take note of it.

I rememeber the first summer i was there and i was driving down the street where I have a home and in the huge picture window of a home close by it was covered in Pot plants enjoying the summer weather, I had to laugh cause it was so unusual to see that.

Depending on how mexico proceeds it could turn out to be the mexican Amsterdam.

While hard drugs are destructive i beleive from my extensive time in holland that the detriments are far less with Pot being legalized or decrimanalized than to keep it illegal and thats coming for someone that does not smoke pot.

Its a controversial subject and even the UK is considering decrimanalizing pot.
It is my personal belief as a non user that in the next 10 years it will be legal or decrimanalized in most places around the world.

Gaz

Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194529
05/02/06 09:08 PM
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hcb, are you sure you're on the right thread?

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Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194530
05/02/06 09:16 PM
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he/she got his/her buns crossed ya think? :p


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Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194531
05/02/06 09:23 PM
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Maybe he/she is doing drugs... lol

Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194532
05/03/06 09:45 AM
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Drugs will always be a huge part on the American culture. We grow up on drugs, from baby tylenol to Aderal (amphetam salts) for adult ADD.

Making them legal will not raise funds for the rehabilitation of addicts, just as big alcohol doesn't publicly fund massive programs for alcoholics. Not in the real world. It will lower the costs, raise taxes and limit the voilence related in the cultivation and trade.

Big business doesn't want it legalized. They make too much money combating it! Government contracts, cushy posts in the DEA, etc. Tobacco and Alcohol doesn't want legal competition. Are you kidding me! Why did they outlaw hemp to begin with?

And besides, what a great reason to build a wall at the border, frisk you repeatedly, keep tabs on your assets and track your movements - IT COULD BE DRUG RELATED!

Legalize prostitution instead.

"Everything in moderation"
SIN


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Re: Cocaine and Pot soon to be Decriminalized #194533
05/03/06 09:53 AM
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Legalize prostitution... what are you thinking SIN?! We already have problems with AIDS worldwide, and it only leads to abuse and exploitation of women (since generally women are those being used for this purpose anyways). Come on now.

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