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barge terminal solution #240393
06/12/07 09:54 AM
06/12/07 09:54 AM
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A concrete pier similar to the one in front that has served San Pedro for
decades is my proposed solution for the barge terminal.

Everyone agrees that the location of the marina in the back is perfect
except accessing it with the barges. The biggest problem is the shallow
rock that makes it too expensive to blast a channel wide and deep enough to
accommodate the numerous barges that are required to service the needs of
San Pedro. That rock can be our best friend.

We have plenty competent contractors in Belize who could build this very
quickly and relatively inexpensively and there are no unknown perils to
deal with such as the problems associated with the current marina in the rocks to blast.

There would be no problem of having to drive piles through the rock.
Simply cast them on top of the rock. Engineers could easily calculate the
surface area required for the piles to support the load and cast the
required number and size piers in place right on top of the rock. They
could go right over the little island in front if they wished. I won't go
into small details, that is for the engineers but here is some basic ideas.

All that is required is to build a long concrete pier beginning at the end
of the present unusable marina and extend it out as far as necessary. Near
the marina It should be wide enough to support two way traffic until it
reaches a water depth that is sufficient for the tugs and barges to tie up
on each side. Then it should be widened enough to provide room to unload
on both sides of the pier and trucks to be loading at the same time. It
may be nice to have a turnaround on the end of the pier so empty trucks
could turn around before loading and be ready to exit when loaded.

Another possibility (and my favorite) is make the pier just wide enough for
one way truck traffic and put tee's off the pier where the barges could tie
up and unload thereby leaving the main pier always open for truck traffic.
Trucks could drive past their tee and back onto it.

The appropriate authority could charge rent to barge owners for the
exclusive use of the tees. If desired the appropriate authority or barge
owners could build a warehouse or just a roof on the tee so they could
unload in rainy weather and their freight would be kept dry and provide
secure at night . Electric overhead cranes could be installed to expedite
the unloading of the barge and even used for loading the trucks. Barge
owners could turn their barge around and return to Belize immediately.
This would allow them to operate with less barges and tugs. etc, etc

And lastly, this pier could easily be lengthened and additional tees added
as necessary without any interruption of service.

All contractors with the expertise to build this pier should get engaged
right away.


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Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Marty] #240403
06/12/07 11:47 AM
06/12/07 11:47 AM
Joined: Nov 2002
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San Pedro
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Things rarely realized in Belize, no less in San Pedro "very quickly and relatively inexpensive".

A 1/4 mile+ concrete pier? Sounds good, perhaps after selling the 8000 acres up north, a portion of the 25 million could be re-invested in this pier which sounds similar to The Port Of Belize's concret pier.


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Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Marty] #240797
06/17/07 02:14 PM
06/17/07 02:14 PM
Joined: Jun 2007
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San Pedro Town, Belize
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I'm amazed by the lack interest in the barge terminal location. When they start operations in front of Hol Chan it will be dead within a year or two along with Shark Ray alley and San Pedro's reputation for being eco-sensitive.

Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Drifter # 7] #240798
06/17/07 03:01 PM
06/17/07 03:01 PM

Lack of interest, or just recognition that there's nothing anyone can do which will change it? Most political decisions here seem to have big bucks somewhere behind them for someone, and money rules this place.

Sure, Hol Chan will be destroyed, but what does that matter to the people in power?

Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Drifter # 7] #240799
06/17/07 03:02 PM
06/17/07 03:02 PM
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Eco-sensitive? San Pedro? Where?

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Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Sir Isaac Newton] #241318
06/23/07 11:13 AM
06/23/07 11:13 AM
Joined: Oct 2000
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Salt Lake City, Utah
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This is the latest in the San Pedro Sun.

Proper and adequate docking for large vessels has always been a community issue. The municipal pier, for years, provided docking space for the various barge companies located on Ambergris Caye. However, the pier, located in front of Central Park, has always been surrounded by controversy. Many claiming that it was an “eye sore” and that it was the cause of noise pollution. Just recently, these barge operators were asked to utilize the port built by the Government of Belize located on the south west side of the island. The municipal pier was no longer to be used as a docking port for the barges.
Barge operators have always been hesitant to use the port because of the difficulties faced when trying to access it, mainly waters are too shallow and the entrance is not wide enough. One barge company opted to purchase property and dock their barges on their private dock. In an interview with Ellis Eiley of Caribbean Depot his company has three 150 foot barges that utilize the new docking facility located on the south east part of the island. This new docking site has nevertheless stumbled on its own controversy.

Various letters have been submitted and countless talks have been held. Located on a residential area, the property also faces the Hol Chan Marine Reserve. Hol Chan is comprised of four zones including the reef, the sea grass beds, shark ray alley and the mangroves which are located adjacent to this private property. Mangroves have already been cleared to make way for the new docking facilities but in order to make it adequate, dredging will inevitable have to take place.

In an interview with James Azueta, Ecosystems Management Unit Coordinator stated that the company has not yet filed a dredging permit. “We have carried out a preliminary study on the area and have in fact concluded that such a development will not have an immediate impact on the reserve. However, in the future it will be a factor. If the company should file for a permit, then they need to carry out a proper Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) which we will scrutinize closely. Development will occur, we can’t stop that but we want it to occur in a manner that will cause the least impact on the environment.”

Melanie McField, scientist and researcher of the Mesoamerican Barrier Reef commented that there are many factors that need to be taken into consideration. “Dredging is something that needs to be looked at seriously whenever it happens to a close proximity of the Barrier Reef. Even more so when it is so close to Hol Chan. Dredging affects not only the area that is being worked on but the outskirts of it, as well. It reduces the quality of the water making visibility extremely bad. Silting is crucial because this directly affects the reef and does have a hugely negative impact on it. But we also have to look at the re-shuffling of the soil. Pollutants long forgotten and buried might be pulled up and these could be detrimental to the environment. Many things need to be taken into consideration before this project can be allowed to go through.”

Dr. McField also stated that manatees have been found in the waters close to the private property. Manatees that might have to look for a new home with the increase in boat traffic to the area. “We can not forget the accidents and spills that may occur,” ended Dr. McField.

Speaking with Mayor Elsa Paz, The San Pedro Sun found out that the permits granted for such a project are out of her jurisdiction. Dredging is approved by the Department of Geology and the building of dock is handled by the Ministry of Natural Resources.

I think the moral of this story is "Feed someone arsenic a little at a time and they won't die right away but will be dead next year"

Last edited by kathyw; 06/23/07 11:18 AM.
Re: barge terminal solution [Re: kathyw] #241444
06/25/07 10:56 AM
06/25/07 10:56 AM
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San Pedro
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BBQ manatee ribs....yummmy!!!!

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Re: barge terminal solution [Re: Sir Isaac Newton] #241642
06/26/07 05:24 PM
06/26/07 05:24 PM
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Anderson, SC USA
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SIN, you have been listening to Dennis Wolfe too much !!

Last edited by ericinsc; 06/26/07 05:24 PM.

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