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Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: tacogirl] #243971
07/30/07 07:41 PM
07/30/07 07:41 PM
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Birdland - 1 mile north
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Very interesting arguments – how about some suggested solutions:

Just yesterday I was told about Sweden’s Health Care Program and they have the best mortality rate in the world. I’m not going to try to quote the details because I’m sure I would get something wrong and get slammed for that. However, the bottom line is that EVERYONE pays taxes on EVERYTHING they buy which I was told equates to 50% of their income. This is the only tax they pay and everyone pays equally.

I worked for 30 years in a county health care system. They are a teaching hospital and they attract the type of person who wants to be a doctor who takes care of a wide range of people. Believe me; they are not in it for the money. They take on ten new residents every year and keep only the best on staff when they have finished their residency.
Being the “facility of last resort” we could not turn away anyone. When the surrounding hospitals had a patient who had run out of benefits they transferred them to us.

For the last twenty I was the manager of the department where bottom line question was “Who’s paying for this?” I came into this job just as we were going bankrupt from giving away everything. What I discovered was that there was a lot of financial assistance available, people simply had to apply. We could not turn them away but we could insist that they cooperate and if they didn’t choose to they were turning themselves away.
When they didn’t want to bother with the paperwork the docs would go around the system to take care of them. We had to start withholding doctor’s paychecks in order to get them to comply. It was an internal struggle for two years.

We were not allowed to say the word “Illegal” immigrant – it was “undocumented immigrant.” Political correctness = PUKE!

And it was not just the immigrants – we had entire communities that were into third generation welfare – and talk about entitlement!!! President Clinton addressed the welfare reform stuff and it is starting to work.

What was said about insurance companies is true. They automatically reject a very high percentage of claims. We automatically resubmitted them – to three times before we spent time researching the problems. It is a cat and mouse game between billers and insurance companies.

We had an entire department that dealt with lawsuits. Malpractice insurance is insane.
I’ve heard the wait in Canada is extreme. I go back once a year for my medical care as it is part of my retirement package. I have to pull all kinds of strings to get in within one month to see my GP and you can not see a specialist without seeing a GP. Then you have to wait and wait for that.

Her in Belize I have been seen without hours of calling and waited no longer than 15 minutes in the clinic. The cost here is BZ $30. In California the briefest visit is over US$150. I’ve said enough.

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Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: ScubaLdy] #243972
07/30/07 08:19 PM
07/30/07 08:19 PM
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Pismo Beach
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And well said it was scubalady! (all except that part about Clinton...he signed it but the Repub Congress(and our old friend Newt) shoved it up his a**)!
Will give him credit for signature.

GOP - The Party of Lincoln.
Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: ScubaLdy] #243973
07/30/07 08:23 PM
07/30/07 08:23 PM
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Here in Alberta, Canada, I can get into see my GP within a couple of days and sometimes same day, depending on my issue. If I want, I can go to a walk-in clinic and get into see a GP within minutes up to one-two hours wait (in flu season).

If I want to see a specialist, well now, that can take quite a bit longer. Then again, it depends on what the problem is. Critical cases get moved up.

A fish and a bird can fall in love, but where will they build their nest?

Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: seashell] #244110
08/01/07 02:37 PM
08/01/07 02:37 PM
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Northern California
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Scuba: I have lived in Calif all of my life and have never paid $150 for the "briefest visit". I have a co-pay and it is less than 1/3 that amount. I can also generally get in for an apt. within a couple of days. What you are saying is not universal.

Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: LaurieMar] #244116
08/01/07 03:45 PM
08/01/07 03:45 PM
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Frigin Cold Columbus, Ohio
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Yes Laurie, the co-pay is less than 1/3 that amount, but look at the actual charge going through to your insurance carrier --

I will have a Belikin -- put it on klcman's tab.
Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: Otteralum] #244124
08/01/07 06:05 PM
08/01/07 06:05 PM
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Posts: 3,484
San Pedro
Sir Isaac Newton Offline OP
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My co-pay in NY used to be $5 with Blue Cross/Blue Shield. We did qualify for some low income health insurance plan for small families.

Check out my site:
Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: Sir Isaac Newton] #244131
08/01/07 10:03 PM
08/01/07 10:03 PM
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Pismo Beach
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Present co-pay in NJ with Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield is $20 even with the cheapest plan they have. Waiting has nothing to do with insurance. Wife and I both covered. I can get appointm'nt with my primary care dr usually within 24 hours. Wife's DR who does not accept Blue Cross (she likes him and I dont ask why) usually take 3-5 weeks to get in his office. Make sense? Not to me.
Group coverage in NJ (group meaning two or more peeps) cheapest policy $307 a month Best around $550.(per person)
Expensive? Sure. Ridiculous? I dont think so. Rather pay that then 30-35% more taxes.

GOP - The Party of Lincoln.
Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: Rykat] #244138
08/02/07 08:23 AM
08/02/07 08:23 AM
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Anyone else paying $300+/mo to insure their CAR?

Flyfishing my way through mid-life crisis.
Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: krehfish] #244142
08/02/07 09:32 AM
08/02/07 09:32 AM
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I don't remember if it was Channel 5 or 7 but Tuesday night they highlighted the new INSURANCE building finished in Belize City. They also noted another INSURANCE building in the city for its architecture. You can bet insurance is going to get higher and higher to pay for all these new buildings! Why do you think they deny most claims? They are in business - insurance companies make good money. Look what happened in New Orleans. Oops - can't insure houses there anymore - it cut too deeply into their profit margins!

Re: Now suck it up and run off to school! [Re: krehfish] #244148
08/02/07 10:43 AM
08/02/07 10:43 AM
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Pismo Beach
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krehfish..........UH............NO! What's in your wallet? (maybe a driver's lic with 8 or 10 points on it)? sick smirk

GOP - The Party of Lincoln.
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