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Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: Barnacle] #325255
02/25/09 09:08 AM
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There are 9 buildings that have been built at Reef Village without getting planning approval. There is no way to know if they have adequate infrastructure. I certainly would not eat any fish caught in that lagoon. I wonder if those same fish swim out front full of the same toxins. What happens if someone with the same building habits develop 7000 rooms some of which are not permitted and without adequate sanitation. Will we stop eating fish caught ear the island?
Concern abut this project is not bar talk. Most people that attend the sustainable development meetings are concerned citizens that do not want the island to be destroyed by this megaproject

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: sweetjane] #325263
02/25/09 10:02 AM
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No offense taken. I own a couple of condos in San Pedro. One is in Reef Village. Like most North Americans I like it the way I found it. I grew up in South Florida and watched as that was developed and the people came in. The Reef Village condo is for sale. I would like to be completely disassociated from Jeff Pierce. I do not like the way he does business. I personally produced Hospital plans at Jeff's request and have the wherewithal to have made it happen. I do believe he thinks he needs to contribute to infrastructure. It may be altruistic but is probably just business. Jeff is a lightning rod for criticism because he is visible, has big plans and because he has pulled off Reef Village. That makes him capable as well. Just because I don't like him doesn't mean I can't be fair. He has dug Mangroves sure but what development or homebuilder on the water hasn't? Precious few. The problem is that title extends to vegetation and property rights conflict with environmental ones.

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: sweetjane] #325267
02/25/09 10:17 AM
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So I am simultaneously (not just on this site) trolling for people are out there opposed to Pierce and at the same time doing a little education about what they are up against. Jeff is a big picture guy, he puts out the brush fires as they pop up (like a sewer system) but he must be a little worried or he would not have had his workers demonstrate.I do not think complaining about digging Mangroves is going to cut it though the local committee opposing South Beach is very,very encouraging. It is their country after all.Anybody given them money?
Another approach to defeat South Beach needs to be developed.

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: pamkillen] #325271
02/25/09 10:28 AM
02/25/09 10:28 AM
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Has this has become yet another thread in which emotions and realities are failing to correlate?

“Developers” should not be held responsible for schools, or hospitals or even sewer and water treatment plants. These are the responsibility of the municipality, in this case San Pedro Township, in which the development is located: the ongoing problem in Belize is that instead of collecting property tax to fund these items on an ongoing basis, a one time developers fee goes into the pocket of whichever crook is currently in a position to benefit from the “fee”.

Monthly dues paid at Reef Village cover not only insurance and communal area maintenance, but also the services that Reef provides that would normally be expected to be the responsibility of the town?

The proposed South Beach project is so far removed from other development that it is an ideal project to use to introduce a property tax levy, and offer ongoing revenues for sewer and water treatment services on this part of the island?

The density, location and design concept of South Beach are all legitimate items for discussion, but when someone tries to blame any developer for the lack of schools or hospitals, then don't the otherwise legitimate concerns become all lumped together under the “hysterical/irrational” banner?


It's rarely rocket science, it's usually just math: then again if you can't do the math.......
Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: pugwash] #325276
02/25/09 10:36 AM
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I actually believe that Reef Village is on city sewer so I don't think pollution is going on.
I think Pugwash is correct. Property taxes are not collected but could be.
By the way Pug, if you are an owner at reef Village have you ever seen a copy of the insurance you are paying for?

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: J9rancher] #325281
02/25/09 10:56 AM
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You're right Pug - the blame is always levied on JP, but it's the people in charge that approve or don't actively strive to mitigate the situation that are to blame.

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: Canam] #325285
02/25/09 11:18 AM
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I live four blocks South of the Bridge and we don't have City sewer yet, so there's no way Reef Village does.

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: Phil] #325295
02/25/09 12:21 PM
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interesting.

pug, only j mentioned schools or hospitals. but waste treatment/disposal & roads for the increased load of tourists they expect, and miles away from town... and SP is supposed to foot that with the non-existant prop taxes?

someone please verify this: i thought someone told me that prop tax increase is difficult there because policy is made belize-wide, not different from district to district? (besides the thinking that if prop taxes dont stay low, people will buy somewhere else where they are)

so, who foots the bill for the roads, sewage processing & waste collection/disposal? san pedro? how?

and when the airstrip has to expand to accommodate all the folks bound for SB (or brahama)? and more taxis?

who benefits when they have their own restaurants, casino, onsite tour guides & watersports? san pedro?

these are some of my personal (and valueless) gripes.

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: sweetjane] #325306
02/25/09 12:59 PM
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SJ - this is exactly why these projects shouldn't even be entertained by lawmakers right now because no one has the answers/policies in place to your questions

Re: Over 100 workers of South Beach protest [Re: Canam] #325310
02/25/09 01:22 PM
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There are property taxes. Collecting them is sporadic. There is also a 1% of gross business tax which the GOB has had difficulty collecting as well.
For Phil, look under the bridge the next time you go over. I think there is a PVC sewer line. Reef Village was supposed to have composters but I remember when Jeff was happy that he had struck a deal for sewer service instead.

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