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Rose's home before and after #387408
09/09/10 08:54 AM
09/09/10 08:54 AM
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Rose's home before and after

A former Aspen couple are reeling from the loss of their Belize house and crocodile sanctuary, which were burnt to the ground Sunday morning by an angry mob of villagers.

Sunday's rampage was reportedly instigated by approximately 100 indigenous Mayans, who stormed the property of Cherie and Vincent Rose while they were away. Since the torching, the couple have moved from their home in Punta Gorda, located on the Caribbean coast off southeastern Belize, to an island in the northeastern region of the Central American country.

“We're still trying to come out of shock,” said Vincent Rose, 49, in a telephone interview Wednesday, adding he and his wife feel “80 percent safe.”

The Rose couple have deep Aspen ties. They wedded on the top of Aspen Mountain in 2002 before moving to Belize in 2004. Cherie Rose, 44, once taught snowboarding at Buttermilk. Vincent Rose spent his summers in Aspen starting in 1980, before moving here full time in the 1990s. A general contractor, he ran Bear Construction and remodeled the late John Denver's home.

After Denver died in a plane crash in October 1997, the singer-songwriter's son gave Vincent Rose one of Denver's guitars. It was destroyed by the blaze.

“Stuff like that, you can't replace,” Vincent Rose said.

He said the couple have lost nearly all of their possessions.

The mob — which hailed from a settlement about 10 miles away — torched the property because they believed two missing children were captives at the Rose couple's home, which sits next to their nonprofit American Crocodile Education Sanctuary (ACES). Some news outlets reported the mob, acting on the advice of a psychic, believed the children had been fed to the crocodiles. The mob apparently became infuriated because police were not responsive to their demands that they search the Rose home for the children, reported.

“They have their own superstitions,” deputy police commissioner James Magdaleno told CNN about the Mayans. “Because of their beliefs, they decided to take the law into their own hands.”

The psychic was arrested and charged with “pretends to tell fortune,” but there have been no arson arrests, according to

Rose said he has no idea of the whereabouts of the two children — a 9-year-old boy and his 11-year-old sister — who have been missing since Aug. 7. Rose said he just recently became aware of their disappearance.

At the time of the invasion, the Rose couple were in San Pedro rescuing crocodiles off the island of Ambergris Caye, the husband said.

“Thank God, we were not there,” he said. “We would have been killed.”

Rose said the mob, armed with machetes and firearms, “broke into the house and torched the place, and there were no children to be found. We're all for the safe return of these children, just as much as anybody else.”

Rose said he knows of at least one crocodile that died from the fire. ACES, which sits on 36 acres, had been home to 17 crocodiles. Vincent Rose said he visited the sanctuary Monday, escorted by soldiers and police.

“I have not been able to assess if any of the crocodiles were shot, but when I did go down there, there weren't any floating,” he said.

A river flows through the sanctuary, and the crocodiles feed on a diet of shrimp, fish and crabs, Rose said. But that's not enough to sustain their diet; he's hoping some of his friends, who are nearby butchers, will feed them meat scraps.

After Rose visited the sanctuary, he was taken to the police station where he was interviewed for about three hours, he said. A mob waited outside the police station, he said.

“When I left, they had me run out of the back door,” he said. “Then all of the sudden the officers had me run back in the police compound because of a mob. We had to regroup, and the officers and soldiers finally raced me to the airport and there was an airplane waiting for me.”

Rose said he and his wife, a biologist, started ACES shortly after they moved to Belize.

“When we moved there and saw the devastation of all the endangered species being hunted and killed without any proper permit, we decided we needed to do something,” he said.

The couple got along well with the natives, Vincent Rose noted.

“We donated police equipment to the police office, we donated to the hospital and schools,” he said.

Rose noted that he plans to take legal action.

“I'm going to get a lawyer and sue the Mayan village that's responsible for destroying our lives and our not-for-profit crocodile sanctuary,” he said.

The couple don't plan to leave Belize, either.

“We're not going to get bullied out of town by a group of uncivilized people,” he said. “There's still law that exists in all countries and we're just not going to give up on what we've built and created. We're going to go to a different part of the country where there's more support and it's a safe area.”

Neither the house nor sanctuary were insured.

Accounts have been set up to help the Rose couple and the sanctuary. One, set up by the Belize Economic & Ecological Development Fund, takes Paypal donations through the e-mail address [email protected] Wire transfers can be made to: Intermiary Bank, Bank of America New York, 300 Harmon Meadow BLVD, Seacaucus N.J. 07094 USA, Swift address — BOFAUS3N, ABA -026009593 to credit, Beneficiary Bank, BIC BBLBZBZ,account #6550-8-26053 of Belize Bank Limited, for final credit to account # 630-1-1-10130 of Vince & Cherie Rose Fire Victims.

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Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387428
09/09/10 11:19 AM
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Why on earth wouldn't they have home insurance if they have priceless things in it, especially in a country like Belize with sporadic high crime, hurricanes, floods, etc?

Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Barbara K] #387461
09/09/10 02:37 PM
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I can understand their grief, anger, fear and outrage. But I too do not understand why they wouldn't have had some kind of insurance. Of course, insurance won't replace John Denver's guitar but it would have helped with a lot of other things. And how on earth do you sue a village? And what a waste of effort that would be. My hope for them, is that they can move on into the future as soon as possible and that the work involved setting up their new situation, will help eventually relieve some of their pain.

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Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387599
09/11/10 11:10 AM
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What is the "Belize Economic and Ecological Development Fund"?
A for-real organization or just a name for a private offshore bank account?

Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: seashell] #387638
09/11/10 10:36 PM
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What happened is totally outrageous! I hope the cops investigating this crime get some help, to round up all the low-life Mayans who did this, but the chances of ALL the culprits being caught AND going to jail remain slim. Belize city has the highest crime rate in all of Central America. Lately there has been a big increase in crime outside of the city....(all you have to do is read the news every day...80% is about crimes committed). I hope they find the children,and i hope the Rose's recover from their traumatic experience. May i suggest 2 very important words: GET INSURANCE!
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Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387655
09/12/10 12:27 PM
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Why do you not lay off the "low life mayans' nonsense. This group does not represent the Maya any more than the Roses represent all americans. They are people acting in a bad manner. If you came on this board and started spouting the "N" word you would be shot down immediately. No difference.

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Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387657
09/12/10 12:29 PM
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This is a complicated story. I note The Roses have used their contacts in the media for just self-promotion instead of of trying to focus on the missing children. Contact the Aspen Times. Something is not right when Mr. Rose says the villagers came to his compound asking to search it..then go to police who said just their suspicions was not enough. Mr Rose now says he wished he had handled things differently in his initial contact with the villagers. The Roses have said many ugly things about the Mayans and that calls into question his professional competence to operate a conservancy in a third world country with indigenous peoples. I think they would be happier at a zoo in Florida or get better training from respected international groups who know how to get along with neighbors. The Roses do not tell their media contacts the hateful characterizations he used and their initial threats to sue our govenment and his disparaging remarks about Belizeans. He is not being challenged by his media and I hop we stay completly focused on the plight of these innocent children and the efforts of the police to find them It would be nic if the Roses and their promoters were as interested by their actions in helping to find the children and fostering healing and understanding with indigenous peoples instead of using this opportunity to dispel ignorance and prejudice against these villagers who were frantic looking for their children. As angry as the Roses and their supporters were about losing his stuff. Every body needs to step back and be examples of understanding and healing and quit the accusations by letting the police do their job with all our real support in finding these children.

Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Timmy] #387658
09/12/10 12:32 PM
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Seems that you are the Shit Stirrer in all this

Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387661
09/12/10 01:25 PM
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Timmy Offline
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Jesse,I think you have expressed yourself as for all to see; inherent biases instead of seeking genuine dialogue, truth and understanding. Pity. Yep, you expressed real balance with no ugliness.The shamefulness continues with content like yours and you will be in wonderment when the government and people will no longer be supportive of these efforts when one community continues to castigate whole communities instead of trying to heal this rift. But comments like yours will preclude those of goodwill from even trying.

Re: Rose's home before and after [Re: Marty] #387727
09/13/10 12:04 PM
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The Belize Economic and Ecological Development Fund (www.BEEDFUND.ORG) IS a for-real organization. It is a non-profit charity registered in the United States of America, with an application pending with the IRS for 501c3 status. The purpose is to provide a means for non-profit organizations in Belize to receive donations that are 100% tax deductible in the US. It was founded specifically to help the work of ACES, but was set up so that other groups in Belize may benefit also. Other organizations are welcome and invited to apply for funding through BEED Fund.

From the website: We support groups who are striving to preserve the environment and wildlife of Belize; develop sustainable economic development; and perform charitable works in the Belizean community.
Together, we work for a brighter future for Belize.

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