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Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: ragman] #391752
11/03/10 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ragman
Originally Posted by Marty
pretty hard to control three branches when one side is refusing to allow debates on anything. what was it, 150, 250 filibusters? old record was like ten?

takes two to tango. if one side sits out there is no dance. Obamacare is about ten percent of what we need to fix the health situation, its all he could get with a bunch of neanderthals clogging up the aisles screaming NYET! NYET! NYET!


Bullsh-t It was only a few months ago, since the election of Scott Brown that Repub. had enough of votes to sustain a filibuster. Therefore when there where filibusters there where Dems participating in the filibuster until Scot Brown. If nothing got done it was a bi-partisan filibuster that caused it. The dems controlled the 3 branches for most of the last 2 years and could have passed anything they wanted. Please donít try to rewrite history.

In addition it might have helped if Obama worked with Repubs instead of telling them the way it was going to be and locking them out of certain meetings. His heavy handedness caused a lot of his problems.


Actually, if you'll check your history, the Democrats only held a filibuster proof majority for 4 months. Don't forget, the republicants stalled seating Franken for months by appealing the recount all the way through the court system.

Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: champion] #391755
11/03/10 12:04 PM
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demos NEVER had a filibuster proof majority. they had to pick off a couple repubes to get anything passed, and then the repubes quit playing.

Nice writing this AM: LINK TO FULL ARTICLE
Dissatisfied Mind: Flickers of Hope in a Deadly Political Cycle

I found myself unexpectedly heartened by American election returns, at least in one respect. For they have shown, once again, that the American people feel an abiding, angry Ė if deeply inchoate Ė dissatisfaction with the nationís unjust, corrupt and dysfunctional political system. They know that something is profoundly wrong with the system, and so they keep voting one faction out and putting the other faction in, hoping to see some kind of change.

History gives this proof: in almost every national election for the past two decades, we have seen a change in control of either one or both houses of Congress or the White House. This has happened in 1992, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2006, 2008, and now again in 2010. The pattern is very clear. And it is not because Americans ďprefer divided government,Ē as the dim chewers of Beltway cud like to tell us; itís because they canít get anyone in the system to address their concerns.

Yet with every turnover in factional control, we see a rush of earnest, serious analysis telling us how the results represent a vast sea change in Americaís politics, culture, society, soul, etc. But somehow, two years later, these momentously meaningful tidal waves ripple into nothing on the empty shore. And again, thatís because they donít actually signify anything beyond the by-now perennial unease and dissatisfaction.

What is less heartening, of course, is the fact that the American electorate never quite grasps the obvious, glaring, brutal fact that neither of these factions is ever going to change the system one iota if they can help it; they are the system, they are its servants, its enablers, its enactors.

LINK TO REST OF ARTICLE

Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: Marty] #391757
11/03/10 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
pretty hard to control three branches when one side is refusing to allow debates on anything. what was it, 150, 250 filibusters? old record was like ten?

takes two to tango. if one side sits out there is no dance. Obamacare is about ten percent of what we need to fix the health situation, its all he could get with a bunch of neanderthals clogging up the aisles screaming NYET! NYET! NYET!


Marty. I know you don't lie, so please provide evidence of just one filibuster. Just one, not your claimed 150 or 250. Thanks.


I hope that someday we can put aside our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.
Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: skippy] #391761
11/03/10 01:26 PM
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I was looking for the filibuster numbers too...

Found this...

The Senate's 2009-10 votes to cut off filibusters have come on a wide variety of issues, big and small: Health care, domestic and defense spending, and 15 Obama nominees. While 38 of the 42 votes to cut off debate were successful, the debates about debates tie up the Senate and often prevent measures from ever reaching the floor.

Don't really know if that is the actual count though.

http://www.truth-out.org/senate-republicans-filibuster-everything-win-november56899

Where that came from...

It is funny (not really) that the big word now is compromise. The compromises before were all within the Democratic party to get things done, even with their majority - back door meetings, special things going to various states for their votes, same ol, same ol, not any "change" to say the least.

Something is not right though, when you get a health care plan handed to you, that the majority of the people don't like. Then, where you have a immigration policy, like Arizona tried, which the majority of the people want, and you can't have that. The Administration seems out of touch.

My two cents.

Have a good day, Bill.

Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: champion] #391762
11/03/10 01:38 PM
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"The Aministration seems out of touch" Ha! Ya think?

It is still incredulous to me that Obama was ever elected as President in the first place. At least now there may be a chance that the U.S. is not heading toward complete socialism and too much government control of an individual's rights and freedoms.

Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: champion] #391765
11/03/10 02:04 PM
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Why hasn't the economy improved? The Repubes have had control of the House for nearly 18 hours now! That's just about the same amount of time that was given to Obama before the A-hole Tea baggers and Right wing Rush-loven idiots started complaining!

Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: Bing Crosby] #391768
11/03/10 02:23 PM
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Bing, we have come to expect you to be uninformed, arrogant, condescending and wrong, but it must be awful to be so bitter and unhappy. Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side . .


When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it.
Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: Bing Crosby] #391770
11/03/10 02:27 PM
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Another mis-statement by a dim bulb. The new congress both parties and independents will get sworn in on Jan. 3rd. so they haven't had control of the house yet.


Jim
Formerly from somewhere on a beach in Belize
Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: ragman] #391775
11/03/10 02:57 PM
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Bing + jHill = NUTS !


Gun Control is Hitting Your Target.
Re: I Miss Ronald Reagan [Re: ragman] #391777
11/03/10 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ragman
Another mis-statement by a dim bulb. The new congress both parties and independents will get sworn in on Jan. 3rd. so they haven't had control of the house yet.


No Duh!!! It's call SARCASM

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