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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law ?? Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #406321
04/27/11 11:26 AM
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Several areas the criminal code refers to servants,not beating them and such,
definitely written a long time ago and probably by republicans!


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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law ?? Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #406323
04/27/11 11:33 AM
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Interesting leap there Elbert considering there are no Republicans and/or Democrats in British politics or parliament wink

Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law ?? Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #406349
04/27/11 07:15 PM
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Methinks that such an outrage as a law flying in the face of tradition and culture of doing as one pleases with one's servants would have been written by liberals rather than conservatives.

Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law ?? Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #406352
04/27/11 08:15 PM
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Your right I have it backwards, conservatives, unionist, democrats, troys, socialist and the like have always been confusing to me. I think I'm correct in thinking that the republicans would be the ones wealthy enough to own servants and the rest would be those in servitude complaining or am I still confused?


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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law ?? Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #406353
04/27/11 08:32 PM
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Having servants is rather neat. Very easy to get used to and quite handy to have around especially if one has children or pets. Though sometimes keeping them on task is a hassle, they're usually very well-behaved. Never had to use the whip.

Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law Attracts Lawsuits [Re: iluvbelize] #406857
05/03/11 03:10 PM
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There is mention of two Belizean laws specifically targeting gay males, which appears in the Greenwood Encyclopedia of LGBT Issues Worldwide (Vol 1, p.20). One concerns immigration and the other deals with the "anti-sodomy" law discussed in this forum. Ironically, the latter Belizean law was passed in 2003, the same year that the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the few remaining anti-sodomy laws in that country.

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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #407795
05/14/11 10:08 AM
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PM Mum On Taking Sodomy Laws Off The Books

The United Belize Advocacy Movement, UNIBAM, a gay rights group is generating lots of buzz with a case it has taken to the Supreme Court Of Belize.

UNIBAM has filed a motion against the attorney general challenging the constitutionality of section 53 of the Belize Criminal Code, which criminalizes "carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any person" which is basically a law banning sodomy.

The case has attracted major international attention. The Commonwealth Lawyers Association, the Human Dignity Trust and the International Commission of Jurists have joined as interested parties on the side of UNIBAM.

In the opposing corner is the government of Belize backed up by a group of Christian Churches. Today the usually forthcoming Prime Minister told us he's not making any personal comment on keeping the sodomy laws on the books:…

PM Dean Barrow
"That it not happen. I remember a year and a half or so I spoke at a UB graduation and I said that one of the things we have to be grateful for in this country is that the culture wars that we see in the united States have not been imported into Belize, well obviously this is the start of exactly such a phenomenon. I would limit myself to saying that as a government has taken the position that it needs to argue for the constitutionality of the law that is in place that's being challenge and so I would not go beyond that official position. I am not prepared to comment on my own physiological conviction or lack thereof. That is the official position of the government. This is one time when it might be wise for me to say nothing more."

An international news report from a Christian news outlet said that a lawyer for the Coalition of Christian Churches filed court papers today.

Despite calls to the court and a local attorney, we weren't able to find out if those papers had been filed. The hearing in the Belize Supreme Court on the lawsuit is scheduled for July. The case is scheduled to go to court in July.

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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #407813
05/14/11 12:14 PM
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I watched the news last night and am not sure what the PM is saying, especially his remark about 'cultural wars' and not sure if that means Belize is "live and let live" and leave it at that or if he is implying gay rights is imported. I know the conservative church groups here have met with him about abolishing abortion for incest and rape and tossed in their stance on gay rights. But the PM has to return to his office in Belmopan on Monday and face all the gay and Bi people who work in govt who will be affected by this. And there are many. And all these good and value people should be really pissed off at him for not standing up for them and legally protect their right to live how they want. Whatever the PM's stance on gay rights it, is does not stop him from hiring, appointing, nominating and promoting people who are gay and Bi. It seems he does not want to oppose the church publically; we'll see what they do in court.


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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #407814
05/14/11 12:23 PM
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I was wondering that myself Katie. I guessed he may have been referring to the fact that the church groups are being led by a north american evangelist, who seems to be the one trying to stir up the churches to campaign on these issues. It would be nice to see a leader with the cohunes to stand up to religious extremists but it seems that type of leadership is pretty rare world wide these days. It would also seem a bit odd to me if on one hand the PM were calling for hanging and on the other trying to ban abortion in cases of rape and incest. I certainly think it will remain up to the courts to make the final decisions on these issues and I'm glad for that as there will hopefully be a decision not based upon one religion's view on morality.


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Re: Belize Anti-Gay Law Attracts Lawsuits [Re: Marty] #408287
05/20/11 08:45 AM
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CHURCH LEADERS SPEAK AGAINST “GAY AGENDA”

Church leaders today issued a rare press release and delved headlong into the growing public discourse of the so-called gay agenda. Signed by Bishop Dorick Wright of the Roman Catholic Diocese, Bishop Philip Wright of the Anglican Diocese and Reverend Eugene Crawford of the Belize Association of Evangelical Churches, the statement formally announced that Christian leaders have applied to join the government in the case of Caleb Orozco and UNIBAM versus the Attorney General of Belize. The release says UNIBAM is heavily influenced by foreign interests who seek to impose a world view that directly contradicts the supremacy of God as reflected in our laws by seeking to abolish the nation’s sodomy laws. The church leaders say that the action challenged our national sovereignty and threatens our very way of life. Their statement says, and we quote: “We declare that God is the author of all creation as our Constitution affirms by recognizing the supremacy of God,” end of quote. The leaders make known in their release, that what they describe as the homosexual agenda insists on the promotion of homosexual acts in the schools and society and undermined the rights of parents as primary educators of their children. Ultimately the release concludes, is that the promotion of sodomy and immoral behaviour, disguised as comprehensive sexual education will lead ultimately to a call for same-sex marriage in Belize. According to the clergy statement, quote: “this lawsuit was filed to establish a new right to engage in homosexual acts in Belize. In every country that has granted a new right to homosexual behaviour, activists have promoted and steadily expanded this right t trump universally recognized rights to religious freedom and expression,” end of quote. The release ends by saying that the Church is joining the Supreme Court case as interested parties representing a broad majority of Christian churches in Belize who do not support these initiatives of changing our laws to accommodate homosexual behaviour. The high powers team of attorneys who will represent the churches s interested parties include Senior Counsels Rodwell Williams and Eamon Courtenay as well as attorneys Michel Chebat, Jackie Marshalleck and Christopher Coye. The case in question is expected to come up for hearing in the Supreme Court in July of this year.

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Council of Churches against UNIBAM’s seeking of gay rights

Leroy Flowers

On Tuesday the Council of Churches filed an application in the Supreme Court to join the Attorney General’s Office in a case brought by the United Belize Advocacy Movement (UNIBAM) and its executive president, Caleb Orosco. It’s a case that is attracting local and international attention and high profile lawyers are sitting on both sides of the legal divide. UNIBAM is challenging Section Fifty-Three of the criminal code, which states that carnal intercourse against the order of nature is an indictable matter which carries a prison sentence of up to ten years. Orosco, who is openly gay, is seeking to have the law declared unconstitutional since gays can face prison time for sexual preferences. However, the clergy has come forward with a stinging statement condemning UNIBAM‘s action. According to Canon Leroy Flowers, who represents the Council of Churches, the motion to argue the validity of the law presents a moral argument despite its origin within the Constitution.

Canon Leroy Flowers, Representative, Council of Churches

“Nobody should be shocked or surprised. The church is the moral authority within the context of the nation and therefore it is the church’s view that the very challenge that has been brought against the attorney general is really an attack on the teachings of the church and therefore has made its stand known. This should not be a thing [that’s] new to anyone. We see this as another undermining of the very moral fiber of the society and while there are many members who may not necessarily agree with the church’s position. The church has got to maintain its stance [and] its understanding but more importantly as a society we’ve said the very preamble of our constitution talks about the supremacy of God. You can’t talk about the supremacy of God and then undermine the very thing that seeks to uphold that principle and we feel that a part of that principle has to be between a man and a woman and not a man and a man or two women for that matter or a man and an animal as it were. Now this does not in any way signify the purity of the church. It simply seeks to challenge what we believe to be part of the moral fiber of our nation.”

Later in the news cast, we’ll have the reaction from UNIBAM’s executive president.

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