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Latest Incident In Caracol Archaeological Park #412233
07/21/11 07:57 AM
07/21/11 07:57 AM
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A BDF Patrol was fired upon in the Caracol area again on Sunday. According to the BDF It happened in the Retiro area at the Southern Boundary of the Caracol Archeological Park.

Lieutenant Colonel David Jones, Chief of Staff of the Belize Defense Force, confirmed that the incident did in fact occur and the army is investigating. Here's what he told Jim McFadzean today:

Jim McFadzean
"Reports are that there's been a second incident in the Chiquibul area that involved an exchange of gunfire between alleged poachers and the BDF Personnel. Can you enlighten us on whether this incident actually happened and elaborate if you received any more confirmation that the incident did happen?"

Lt. Col. David Jones - Chief of Staff, BDF
Okay, what I can tell you now, confirmation, there was a shooting incident that did occur on Sunday. A shot was fired close to the area where one our patrols were in the Chiquibul area, which is not far from the Caracol Ruins. I think it's about 600 to 700 meters away from the border. One of our patrol heard a shot fire, and they fired back in the direction where the shot came from. They went to investigate, but they didn't see anyone in the area. So one was hit; no one was injured as far as we know. We have a team now, because the patrol has been walking out of the jungle, so we have team that has linked up with them today, and they're interviewing the soldiers. So as soon as information is received from them, I will be aware, and I could pass on that information."

According to our sources there is a known Guatemalan outlaw who operates in that area.

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Re: Latest Incident In Caracol Archaeological Park [Re: Marty] #412243
07/21/11 08:10 AM
07/21/11 08:10 AM
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Another shooting incident inside Chiquibul

Last Wednesday a team of officers including Belize Defense Force personnel, forest rangers and conservationists came under fire from illegal loggers in the Chiquibul National Park. The men had already cleared quite a number of mature cedar trees, fifty-six in total, for extraction to neighboring Guatemala. While incursion from Guatemalan poachers remains a perennial issue for security forces, the incident has once again raised concerns from the public in the wake of a subsequent encounter which also resulted in an exchange of gunfire over the weekend. At midday on Sunday a patrol team came across yet another group of men in an area less than five miles south of where the first chance meeting took place. Again gunshots rang out in the dense forest before the outlaws made good their escape across the border. According to Lieutenant Colonel David Jones charges are expected to be brought against Jairo Orlando Motta in connection with Wednesday’s confrontation. Meanwhile the B.D.F. continues to work closely with its partner agencies in Guatemala to address the problem.

Lt. Col. David Jones, Chief of Staff, B.D.F.

David Jones

“We had a B.D.F. patrol in the area north of the Caracol ruins about two point, eight kilometers. I think it was about six and half kilometers from the border. They encountered some illegal loggers cutting cedar lumber in the area. On approaching the area one child, probably between the ages of eight or nine, shouted the word ‘negrito’ and apparently that was the signal to alert the rest of the loggers that the B.D.F. were in the area. After the shout about two seconds or so after a shot was fired towards the patrol. The patrol in turn got down, returned fire to the area and then they advanced towards where the loggers were. However, when they reached the area where the shots came from they managed to detain one person. They noticed that he was grazed by a bullet to the right arm. He was detained [and] subsequently taken over to the San Ignacio Police Station where he is police custody and I think immigration charges will be levied against him as well.”

Isani Cayetano

“I was made to understand that there was a second or a subsequent encounter with illegal loggers in the general area. Can you update us on that as well?”

Lt. Col. David Jones

“The second incident occurred on Sunday which was the seventeenth [of July]. It was about 12:10 in the afternoon where we had another patrol in the area. It was about six or seven kilometers south of where the incident occurred. South of the ruins two shots were fired apparently towards the direction of the patrol, this is what we know now. The patrol in turn returned fire and upon investigation in the area they did not see anyone. So I think initially after the shots were fired one of the patrol members saw someone in the area, they returned fire in the area where they saw the person but after that they saw no one so no one was detained and there is no information in regards to anybody being injured.”

Isani Cayetano

“The issue of xateros and illegal loggers crossing over from Guatemala into Belizean territory is a recurrent one. What is the BDF doing in terms of stepping up patrols or working with its counterparts to sort of put a lid on it or to decrease the number of incursions?”

Lt. Col. David Jones

“Okay, in particular that area, we have continuous patrols in the area so we’re not going to move out from there. So every day we have presence in that area. We work closely with the Guatemalan counterparts [and] we have regular meetings with them. As soon as incidents like these occur we inform them. They are informed of the area and we corroborate the information that we got and they try to assist us from their side who may have been committing these incursions into Belize and we work from there. But we are working closely with the Guatemalans but constantly we’re going to keep patrols in that area.”

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Re: Latest Incident In Caracol Archaeological Park [Re: Marty] #412244
07/21/11 08:11 AM
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Prime Minister concerned about poachers and loggers in Chiquibul

The incidences of Guatemalan poachers and loggers in the Chiquibul were put to the Prime Minister. Dean Barrow says that diplomatic channels have been opened; the Belize Embassy in Guatemala is active on the issue and the B.D.F. patrols on our side of the border will continue as scheduled.

Dean Barrow

“There was a second incident. As I’ve tried to say on the show this morning. Recognize this is not Guatemalan officialdom sponsoring an excursion into Belize. This is the Guatemalan criminal elements who are engaging in things like illegal logging coming across. So why it is very serious; because heretofore, these people have been doing this for years—a patrol would appear and they would scamper away. Now they are engaging and so that is worrying. But these incidents demonstrate that the joint patrols are trying to do their jobs. They are to be commended. It’s worrying because these are joint patrols that involve forestry officers, in some cases immigration officers; it’s not just the B.D.F. and it is worrying that these people are subjected to live fire. But certainly they have to be commended for their bravery and for their determination to try to protect the sanctity of this country. The Guatemalans officialdom are happy to cooperate and that’s helpful, but you know how illegality goes. What happen to the sugar that’s being sold? The illegal people will find a way.”

Adele Ramos, Amandala

“What are they doing at this point?
Dean Barrow

“The foreign affairs and the B.D.F.—remember that there is a military liaison officer at our embassy in Guatemala City. As soon as these incidents haoppen, a report is sent so that both the Ambassador and the military liaison officer can get in touch with counterparts. And from there, both the B.D.F. and the high command in Guatemala speak directly and efforts are made to try and put in place the kinds of measures that can see them on their side of the border assist with this problem because it is illegal in Belize. As Jules says, when you take the stuff in Guatemala; that’s also illegal. But my caution is that that’s well and good and to be welcomed, but ultimately we have to sleep with our own eyes.”

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