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#437602 - 05/10/12 01:50 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: Marty]  
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Sorry I should of made it clear I am referencing Illegal firearms

Obviously if the firearms were registered they would already know that the residence has them, however from what i have read it is perfectly plausible that if they got a report of firearms on the premises and then did a check and it came back that Mr McAfee did not have any registered in his name (since it was a company) then that would warrant a search to determine if they were indeed illegal.

Obviously all this is speculation since we are not privy to the details in this case, so no judgement should be passed until all the eveidence is presented and that wont be on Ambergriscaye.com smile

Gaz Cooper


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#437603 - 05/10/12 04:17 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: Gaz Cooper]  
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Looks to me like everyone/anyone including McAfee are lucky not to have found themselves suffering from hypovolemic shock, other than the dog that is.


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#437606 - 05/10/12 07:03 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: Mike Campbell]  
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Scubaldy makes a valid point. Mike, you wrote extensive comments during your run for political office about the corruption and abuse of power by authorities in Belize. Now that an individual claims to be subjected to that, you dismiss his complaints using the excuse he might have brought it on himself and blame him for tarnishing the reputation of Belize.
In my opinion, any reasonable person would question the force used based on the findings and expect a further investigation to determine if the corruption and abuse of power that you accuse of being prevalent in Belize was evident here.
In a democracy which Belize is suppose to be, as apposed to a totalitarian state, the government is answerable to the people. This incident deserves more answers and more people besides McAfee should be asking for those answers. Especially elected officials who represent the people and those who previously aspired to be elected.

#437622 - 05/10/12 08:19 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: bywarren]  
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I agree bw. Mike & bear seem to think if you say something to a police officer that he doesn't like, even if you are legally correct you can expect to have your doors broken down, your dog shot and you and occupants of you home detained for 14 hours. That is just not right and it reflects badly on Belize in most free countries.

Police ask to enter John's home. He declined to let them. Nothing illegal there. If it was the police would have demanded entry right then and there. Police show up in force, break down doors, shoot dog and detain occupants. Police find nothing except disputed paperwork on one of 14 firearms. Police file no charges. Maybe this was done without warrant because they suspected illegal firearms? Well they need to tell us just why they suspected illegal firearms to put us all at ease because the way it stands now it looks very heavy handed and should not be tolerated in a free democratic country like Belize. If the message is let us enter any home that we chose for any reason well they are getting that across.

This has nothing to do with legal technicalities of other countries. It has to do with what kind of a country Belize is. Basic human rights of persons living in a country should include not living in fear of their government or police when they are law abiding.


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#437624 - 05/10/12 08:21 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: bywarren]  
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...you dismiss his complaints using the excuse he might have brought it on himself ...


Is it possible he did?


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In my opinion, any reasonable person would ...expect a further investigation to determine if the corruption and abuse of power that you accuse of being prevalent in Belize was evident here....This incident deserves more answers and more people ....should be asking for those answers. Especially elected officials who represent the people and those who previously aspired to be elected.


Any reasonable person would expect that an incident that resulted in the deaths of two visitors while on a guided tour would expect a thorough investigation and published results, but this reasoable person has seen nothing to that effect...If death is not a reason for thorough investigation then why would one expect an incident allegedly involving simple egocentric political payback to be given, or rated at, a higher priority?

I'm not saying its right I'm simply saying...



#437629 - 05/10/12 08:31 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: Bear]  
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Add to that the deaths of people in police custody. frown
These all demand answers and not just hope they go away. Sometimes me think there are more ostriches than real concerned people in Belize.

#437630 - 05/10/12 08:31 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: ragman]  
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Mike & bear seem to think if you say something to a police officer that he doesn't like, even if you are legally correct you can expect to have your doors broken down, your dog shot and you and occupants of you home detained for 14 hours.


Rags, I was simply saying that in failing an attitude test on intital contact one could potentially elevate the degree of response, or the manner in which you are treated. This precept is pretty universal in law enforcement, ask any officer. I dont believe I said one should expect anything...

I would add that by "treated" I also mean within the legal boundaries of the jurisdiction and country in which the contact takes place. If one wants to draw one's own conlcusions about what is legal, or appropriate, in Belize, feel free to do so. I am not drawing any. I have lived in countries where peace officers routinely carry submachine guns and an attittude to match, and their responses to certain situations are far more dire than how the same situation would be handled in the US. As such I see the peace officers in the US, as much as they are maligned at times, as truly being one of the kinder gentler of their breed.

I am of the opinion that if this raid was indeed politcally motivated the best initial attitude test in the world would be a failure...If it was not and Mr McAfees intial response were deemed escalatory by the local constabulary that may have lead to the end result (or at least have been used as a reason to escalate repsonse based on the politics involved). I somehow suspect that there is more to this than we're hearing and I'll be interested to see what happens...

#437632 - 05/10/12 08:32 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: bywarren]  
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Originally Posted by bywarren
These all demand answers and not just hope they go away...


Amen Bee-W

#437645 - 05/10/12 09:33 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: Marty]  
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John McAfee “demands” an apology for GSU raid

A video of the entire interview with McAfee can be found at the end of this article…

John McAfee, the inventor of the McAfee AntiVirus Scan demands an apology from the Government of Belize after members of the Gang Suppression Unit (GSU) stormed into his estate located on the outskirts of Orange Walk Town. The 66 year old expatriate was the subject of an aggressive search and 14-hour long detention by police that eventually required US Embassy intervention to secure his release.

The wealthy US investor, who moved to Belize in 2008 and spends his time between homes in San Pedro and Orange Walk, says that not only was he a victim of an aggressive search but his doors were busted open despite being unlocked. In an exclusive interview with The San Pedro Sun on May 9th, McAfee recalled that sometime around 6AM on Monday, April 30th, GSU personnel descended on the mainland property, namely the Belize Ecological Foundation Limited, located next to the Tower Hill Bridge in Carmelita Village, Orange Walk District. After the GSU officers entered his estate, McAfee said that his dog, Caramelo, was shot and killed. Thereafter, the men broke down doors and ransacked the nine houses on the compound. “I was awakened by a commotion; megaphones and dogs barking and people yelling. I went outside and saw a lot of soldieries in attack formation coming down the driveway with automatic weapons,” said McAfee.

According to Police, present at the time of the search were John McAfee, his 17-year-old Belizean girlfriend, four security guards, 33 year old Emerson Michael who claimed to be the Chief of Security, 23 year old Emerson Dominguez, 46 year old Austin Allen and 23 year old Tyron Morales who are all Belizean nationals. Also present was Michael’s common-law wife Princesa Ericson. McAfee explained however, that he was handcuffed with 14 other people for over 14 hours.

While McAfee said they showed him a search warrant, he did not get a chance to read it. Police claim that during the search ten firearms were found. The firearms were seven 12 gauge pump action shotguns (one of which had a scope), one 12 gauge single action shotgun, one Taurus 9mm pistol and one 9mm CZ pistol. Five air rifles with scopes resembling sniper rifles that use 6.26 mm slugs were also found along with two hundred and seventy 12 gauge cartridges, thirty 9mm rounds and twenty .38 rounds. According to McAfee, the firearms belong to the security company his business owns.


Click here to read the rest of the article and see more photos in the San Pedro Sun



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#437646 - 05/10/12 09:58 AM Re: John McAfee Roughed Up By GSU [Re: elbert]  
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".....McAfee said that if he does not get an apology by Friday, May 11th he will be soliciting the services of Robert Hilton, a senior lobbyist in Washington, DC to get the US State Department to issue a Travel Advisory against Belize."

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