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#503768 - 04/28/15 07:47 AM Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha  
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#503769 - 04/28/15 10:41 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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And another view on "man made" climate change.


Why I am a Climate Change Skeptic March 20, 2015
Patrick Moore

Dr. Patrick Moore is the co-founder, chair, and chief scientist of Greenspirit Strategies, a... (read full bio)

Editor’s Note: Patrick Moore, Ph.D., has been a leader in international environmentalism for more than 40 years. He cofounded Greenpeace and currently serves as chair of Allow Golden Rice. Moore received the 2014 Speaks Truth to Power Award at the Ninth International Conference on Climate Change, July 8, in Las Vegas.

I am skeptical humans are the main cause of climate change and that it will be catastrophic in the near future. There is no scientific proof of this hypothesis, yet we are told “the debate is over” and “the science is settled.”

My skepticism begins with the believers’ certainty they can predict the global climate with a computer model. The entire basis for the doomsday climate change scenario is the hypothesis increased atmospheric carbon dioxide due to fossil fuel emissions will heat the Earth to unlivable temperatures.

In fact, the Earth has been warming very gradually for 300 years, since the Little Ice Age ended, long before heavy use of fossil fuels. Prior to the Little Ice Age, during the Medieval Warm Period, Vikings colonized Greenland and Newfoundland, when it was warmer there than today. And during Roman times, it was warmer, long before fossil fuels revolutionized civilization.

The idea it would be catastrophic if carbon dioxide were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous.

Recently, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) announced for the umpteenth time we are doomed unless we reduce carbon-dioxide emissions to zero. Effectively this means either reducing the population to zero, or going back 10,000 years before humans began clearing forests for agriculture. This proposed cure is far worse than adapting to a warmer world, if it actually comes about.

IPCC Conflict of Interest

By its constitution, the IPCC has a hopeless conflict of interest. Its mandate is to consider only the human causes of global warming, not the many natural causes changing the climate for billions of years. We don’t understand the natural causes of climate change any more than we know if humans are part of the cause at present. If the IPCC did not find humans were the cause of warming, or if it found warming would be more positive than negative, there would be no need for the IPCC under its present mandate. To survive, it must find on the side of the apocalypse.

The IPCC should either have its mandate expanded to include all causes of climate change, or it should be dismantled.

Political Powerhouse

Climate change has become a powerful political force for many reasons. First, it is universal; we are told everything on Earth is threatened. Second, it invokes the two most powerful human motivators: fear and guilt. We fear driving our car will kill our grandchildren, and we feel guilty for doing it.

Third, there is a powerful convergence of interests among key elites that support the climate “narrative.” Environmentalists spread fear and raise donations; politicians appear to be saving the Earth from doom; the media has a field day with sensation and conflict; science institutions raise billions in grants, create whole new departments, and stoke a feeding frenzy of scary scenarios; business wants to look green, and get huge public subsidies for projects that would otherwise be economic losers, such as wind farms and solar arrays. Fourth, the Left sees climate change as a perfect means to redistribute wealth from industrial countries to the developing world and the UN bureaucracy.

So we are told carbon dioxide is a “toxic” “pollutant” that must be curtailed, when in fact it is a colorless, odorless, tasteless, gas and the most important food for life on earth. Without carbon dioxide above 150 parts per million, all plants would die.

Human Emissions Saved Planet

Over the past 150 million years, carbon dioxide had been drawn down steadily (by plants) from about 3,000 parts per million to about 280 parts per million before the Industrial Revolution. If this trend continued, the carbon dioxide level would have become too low to support life on Earth. Human fossil fuel use and clearing land for crops have boosted carbon dioxide from its lowest level in the history of the Earth back to 400 parts per million today.

At 400 parts per million, all our food crops, forests, and natural ecosystems are still on a starvation diet for carbon dioxide. The optimum level of carbon dioxide for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1,500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Greenhouse growers inject carbon-dioxide to increase yields. Farms and forests will produce more if carbon-dioxide keeps rising.

We have no proof increased carbon dioxide is responsible for the earth’s slight warming over the past 300 years. There has been no significant warming for 18 years while we have emitted 25 per cent of all the carbon dioxide ever emitted. Carbon dioxide is vital for life on Earth and plants would like more of it. Which should we emphasize to our children?

Celebrate Carbon Dioxide

The IPCC’s followers have given us a vision of a world dying because of carbon-dioxide emissions. I say the Earth would be a lot deader with no carbon dioxide, and more of it will be a very positive factor in feeding the world. Let’s celebrate carbon dioxide.

Patrick Moore ( was a cofounder and leader of Greenpeace for 15 years. He is now chair and spokesman for Allow Golden Rice.

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#503771 - 04/28/15 11:14 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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If only Dr. Patrick Moore were a credible source of information his view would be helpful. But he's not and so it's not.

"Here’s what Greenpeace has to say about Patrick Moore:

Patrick Moore, a paid spokesman for the nuclear industry, the logging industry, and genetic engineering industry, frequently cites a long-ago affiliation with Greenpeace to gain legitimacy in the media. Media outlets often either state or imply that Mr. Moore still represents Greenpeace, or fail to mention that he is a paid lobbyist and not an independent source…

For more than 20 years, Mr. Moore has been a paid spokesman for a variety of polluting industries, including the timber, mining, chemical and the aquaculture industries. Most of these industries hired Mr. Moore only after becoming the focus of a Greenpeace campaign to improve their environmental performance. Mr. Moore has now worked for polluters for far longer than he ever worked for Greenpeace.

Most importantly, given Patrick Moore’s insistence that he is a founder of Greenpeace, is this statement by the organization:

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year." Who Founded Greenpeace - Not Patrick Moore

" Moore has consulted for the Nuclear Energy Institute, and the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition. He has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry and has worked in defense of biotechnology.

Although Moore was once (1981, 1986) a leading figure with Greenpeace Canada and subsequently with Greenpeace International, in 2008 Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he "exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes." Sourcewatch
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#503773 - 04/28/15 11:26 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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Really nothing to do with anything but I don't know why Bob Hunter and Paul Watson weren't cited in that article and actually it's a disgrace. Bob was the first President of Greenpeace and started the on-sea anti-whaling campaigns which led to the the ban on commercial whaling. Paul has become more controversial but is still a hero for his efforts with Sea Shepherd.

#503774 - 04/28/15 11:36 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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Thanks Simon. Pls pass the ice wata.

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#503776 - 04/28/15 11:58 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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#503778 - 04/28/15 12:24 PM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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Thanks for filling in the gaps Simon!
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#503785 - 04/28/15 10:14 PM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Katie Valk]  
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Not everybody knows what my religion is, but for the past 10 years I have been flirting with Pastafarianism. That's off topic information, but give me a second: The Pastafarianas believe that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included two graphs of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature:

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Much concern exists around the topic of global warming – much debate as well, as there are those who consider there to be insufficient research and data to come to the conclusion of changes in global weather patterns. Naturally then there is much research into the topic, and recently, some surprising revelations.

Dr. Sandy Dersham of Idolum Australian Laboratories for Picayune Research (I.A.L.P.R.) announced the conclusion of their Study Of Ferial Liability Observations (S.O.F.L.O.), a project of which he is the head researcher and which was a four year and 1 month long study which examined many global trends and weather patterns.

The press release he issued contained, in particular, one shocking revelation: the decline of piracy is to blame for the global climate change. Their extensive research into the subject has shown that, as the global rate of piracy has declined, an almost exactly proportional increase in the mean global temperature has occurred.

Dr. Dersham had this to say on the subject: “While I would be the first to admit that the correlation is, on the face of it, seems completely laughable and spurious, the proof is undeniable. We have exhaustively examined historical records from the past few centuries, and have found that this link, which at first seems tenuous at best, is in fact the most tenable theory for global climate change yet put forward.”

“We have no solid theories yet on how this causal relationship works. We are at the moment securing funding for a second project to explore this matter further. The proposed project will last an additional four years and one month and will be named the Practical Review And Normalizing of Kephalonomancy.”


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#503786 - 04/29/15 03:01 AM Re: Well now you've gone and done it Ollie-Climate cha [Re: Short]  
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Short, I wish you luck you have a great chance of success based on a recent business model. Government grant money should start flowing if history is any judge. In addition you don't have to worry about naysayers because they will be driven from societies ranks and cast into the unemployment line. If they dare get employment from one of the polluters that alone immediately discredits them without even the effort to refute their data. It looks like you have proven science to me under todays standards. smirk

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