Good cop or bad, like we said, the Corporal has raised an issue of public interest. And, the Human Rights Commission of Belize is among the most interested. That group has been pressing police on this for sometime now - and finally, with this exposure, they have agreed to work together with police to upgrade the detention cell to minimum standards:
Jules Vasquez- Reporter
"What was your visceral reaction when you saw those photos?"
Kevin Arthurs, Human Rights Commission of Belize
"I was repulsed, that's the first response. But there is a very practical approach to this as well. The maintenance of these facilities takes a certain amount of management and it takes a certain amount of vigilance. And we know that the police department is distracted with other things. I'm not letting them off the hook but truly it's a thing where we have to work on some corporation. We are having two conversations, myself and Compol. One conversation that we are having, hopefully throughout the course of today, is to see how we can work on certain issues that he has raised with me. And then next week he has invited the human rights commission to a meeting in Belmopan where we will discuss wider issues. He has specific things that he wants to work on, and he has named two of them. One is continued sensitization with the training of police officers because you have to start at the beginning with them. And other suggestions that we might have on moving forward to help the human rights issue. Listen, Human Rights and law enforcement are on the same side. Anyone who goes to say that they are not, simply does not understand what we should expect from each other."
Jules Vasquez
"When people feel that you can't get a conviction at court, 'that man is going to get out of jail,' so people like, on an implicit level, that you punish them ina pisshouse, forgive the word."
Kevin Arthurs, Human Rights Commission of Belize
"Surely there is a sadistic and very malicious way that we can look at things but there are certain things that tell us what kind of society we are. Hitler societies certainly had certain ideals which we do not share after the second world war and because of those things we pass certain rules as common people throughout the world. One of those things was the universal declaration of human rights. And so, I am a 100% sure that Belize is not one of those societies that hold that we should treat anyone who is human like an animal?"
Williams said today that he will try and meet with Arthurs this week.
Compol Says He Will Refurbish Revolting “Pisshouse”
Corporal Darrell Tutsi Usher caused a national sensation yesterday when he posted Facebook pictures of the hideous conditions at the Queen Street detention cell. Usher and his brother were locked up for 48 hours - while police investigated them for charges of wounding and aggravated assault.
The charges were thrown out of court, but the effect of those images will endure for a long, long time.
And, today, settling into his new Belize City office, Commissioner Chester Williams addressed it. He said it is at the top of his list of things to do:...
Chester Williams- Commissioner of Police
"Really and truly it looks bad and I honestly believe that to put people in that situation is tantamount to inhumane treatment. I have been aware of the matter and have since directed that a contractor be brought in to look at the situation and see what we can do to enhance it. So, my intention is to see if we can take out all the tiles. I don't think that tiles should be used in cell blocks because urine may go under the tiles and could create a stench. So, we want to remove all the tiles and redo the bathroom issue and use some kind of paint or some kind of facing that we can use on the bare cement to be able to prevent water or urine from seeping into the cement foundation. The next option will be to probably put the bathroom away from the cell block. So that when the prisoners want to use the bathroom then the prison would be escorted to the bathroom by the police. That way we can manage how the bathroom is being used and if anybody goes to damage it we will know exactly who damaged it there and then."
Reporter
"What is the situation now?"
Chester Williams
"Well, the situation now is that instructions have been given that the place be cleaned. And if you go to the...even the constitution, it tells you that it is the prisoners' responsibility to clean his or her surroundings. That area was recently repaired not too long ago. From then to now to see the state it is in, it makes me wonder. And as what someone asked or someone said, it is not the police who has it like that. And you'll find that many times when detainees are detained, they are the ones who damage those facilities."
Reporter
"For detainees who might be in custody for 24 hours or more, many of them find themselves having to sleep on the floor; notwithstanding the conditions there now. Will the renovation include benches as most cell blocks in the world would have?"
Chester Williams
"That is something to be considered to put bunkers that they would be able to sleep on rather than on the ground. Things that were acceptable back in the days are no longer acceptable. We have the United Nations minimum standard for prisons and, while we may not be able to meet the minimum standard, I think that we can work towards getting there as close as possible. And indeed, yes persons who are detained by police do not shed themselves of their humanity. They are still human beings and, as such, we, rightfully so, need to ensure the area where we keep prisoners is kept in such a way that it is tantamount to human treatment."
Love The Message, Punish The Messenger
And while the Commissioner accepts that detained persons must be treated in an acceptable manner, that doesn't mean they should have cell phones in the cell block! In fact, detained persons are strictly not allowed to have mobile phones while in custody. But, it seems Corporal Usher had a camera phone - which snapped those pictures.
Now, that puts the Commissioner in what would seem to be a cute situation, because Corporal Usher raised a matter of national interest - but he did so by breaking the rules.
We asked the Commissioner about that contradiction today:..
Jules Vasqeuz- Reporter
"We have a whistleblower here who has done a public service. Now I know he is no favorite of the department, witnessed by the fact that he was detained for 48 hours, taken to court on something that is completely frivolous because the complainant had told the police, as he told the court, he has no interest in charges. So, his detention Mr. Corporal Usher can be seen as punitive. It was clearly punitive. Will he now be additionally penalized for breaking the rules and having a camera in the detention cell?"
Chester Williams- Commissioner of Police
"Jules, I do not see it as frivolous. Neither was his detention punitive in nature in the sense that, I don't know if you have the full nature of the complaint, but the complaint was that there was some gambling and somebody won and a firearm was involved, shots were fired, the complainant claimed to have been beaten up. So, if a gun was involved and shots were fired, I don't see how it could be frivolous. And my thing was that, if it is that the man has made a complaint let us take the matter to court. Let him go to the court and say to the court he wants nothing. Because I don't want later on you come back and say, 'Oh! Because he da wah police man uno no do nothing.' We do our part, then he goes to the court and tells the court he wants nothing and the court disposes the matter from there."
Jules Vasquez
"But sir, you are having a double standard, respectfully..."
Chester Williams- Commissioner of Police
"Let me finish. In respect of the issue with him having a phone in the cellblock, that is a totally different situation. Now I have tasked professional standards branch to go in and investigate that matter to see how can a prisoner in custody have a cell phone on him doing the things he was doing. Practically he was on facebook all day. We cannot countenance such behaviour."
Jules Vasquez
"You are showing a double standard because in the case of Douglas Grant, and Chicken Dread Ferguson, you said if the man wants to drop the complaint we can't proceed with it any further. As Mr. Chicken Dread indicated that he didn't want the complaint against Douglas Grant. You were happy, because of the political implications, to take your hands off that case. So that is a double standard."
Chester Williams
"Hold on again, let me answer you. With Mr. Usher there is also political implications and neither Chicken Dread nor Douglas Grant were police officers. When it comes to police officers, we are going to ensure we do what we need to do to show that there is no cover up because you and I know Jules that if we had not done so, you would have been the same one to come back and say, 'Oh! Because dah police officers...' that is not going to happen."
Jules Vasquez
"How then do we deal with the issue of the whistleblower? He has done a public good. He has put fire under your chair, under the human rights chair by exposing this abominable condition."
Chester Williams
"Jules, I don't think he put any fire under my chair."
Jules Vasquez
"You wouldn't have fixed it if it hadn't been exposed."
Chester Williams
"No! That had been tasked even before he did that."
Jules Vasquez
"Is that so?"
Chester Williams
"Yes, it has been tasked. I am waiting for the estimate to come in. So, I don't understand how you call him a whistleblower. And he was a police officer on actual active duties for many years. He used to see it in such a condition. He did nothing. But because he is a victim of it now, he was placed in there, now it becomes an issue to him. Come on, we must be fair. And we must understand that Corporal Usher is still a police officer and therefore he is still subject to the discipline of the police department. And if it is that the police investigation reveals that he has committed any disciplinary infractions then he will be dealt with likewise."
Usher is presently on interdiction for a drug trafficking charge. Those political considerations Williams referred to are the fact that Darrell Tutsi Usher's father is the PUP's standard bearer for Port Loyola. Douglas Grant - who we referred to in the story - is a functionary for the UDP's police minister.
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