Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Faber Survived, But Hon. Shyne Strikes Back #551489
07/14/21 04:42 AM
07/14/21 04:42 AM
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 74,809
oregon, spr
Marty Offline OP

.
Marty  Offline OP

The UDP internal war is playing out in public like a bad soap opera - and though, sometimes we just want to look away - the plot twists just keep coming.

Tonight, Shyne Barrow is the one leading the narrative. You might think the parliamentary Leader of the Opposition would be licking his wounds and preparing to change his license plate after his Party Leader, Patrick Faber, survived a recall convention.

But, instead, Barrow today told us he and Faber's opponents are emboldened after the party leader failed to get 50% of the support from the party's 483 voting delegates:

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"How do you feel in the aftermath of it? you feel disappointed in the outcome?"

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"No, I feel relatively vindicated - 54% is significant. Delegates still decide not knowing whether it was going to be Perry, Bradley or Shyne still said anybody but him."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"However, its not enough."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"If it were that he got 300 or 400 votes, yes and we got 8e votes, then you could argue and say bwai Shyne da only you di sing dat song. He lost the majority. He didn't even got more than 47%."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"Yes, he may not have 50% of the delegates supporting him. Accepted, but you all failed to reach the threshold."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"We feel embolden, those of us who wants reform, who wants real change - feel embolden by the fact that 54% of the people said no. A majority is a majority is a majority and so as the chairman of the party said that Mr. Faber needs to do come soul searching and I don't think that those therapy sessions are working, because I see all over the media he's taking shots at his colleagues, you know he is running down the delegate list saying that the delegates list are stock. But I'd like to tell him that his mother, his sister, his sister-in-law are on his delegate list. So, he is being disingenuous when he tries to make it seem as if it is not normal practice for all the leaders to put who they deem fit on their delegate list. So we are not walking away, we are going to continue the resistance. 12 months will go by like nothing. The next national convention will be here next year and I will continue to work until then for real change, real reform."

Is Shyne Long For Leader Of The Opposition Position?

And while Shyne and his allies will keep the pressure on for another year, there's significant uncertainty as to whether he will be doing so as the Parliamentary Leader of the Opposition.

As we have reported he became the Leader in the House on June 24th, after a no confidence letter was sent to the Governor General signed by three of the UDP's 5 area representatives.

But now that Faber has been confirmed as leader by a defeated recall petition - is the jig up? Not surprisingly, Shyne says there's still no confidence:

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"Are your days as leader of the opposition numbered?"

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"Absolutely not."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"Do you think you are going to remain leader of the opposition?"

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"I am the leader of the opposition, but this is not about me. My position is whatever the majority decides. The majority have ruled that they want Faber gone."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"The majority is only 3 and you are one of them."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"I am talking about the majority of the party."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"But let's talk about in parliament. I heard Hugo Patt has switched allegiances."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"I have heard and I know different. He is taken for granted that certain members of the house supports him - that nay very well not support him."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"But it's only axiomatic. The man has fulfilled the criteria to remain party leader, he fulfilled it. There is a reason it's a 2/3 threshold. It should be difficult and he survived, so now as night follows day the man who has been confirmed by the required party threshold. There is a mechanism, he survived the mechanism. My point is that shouldn't the man confirmed as party leader naturally be the leader of the opposition? Should you just say you know what you survived, tek di ting, it's yours."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"No, I disagree. 54% of the party..."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"You are creating your own threshold now."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"Sir, you've asked me my opinion, do you want to state it as fact and then I just submit to what you state or would you like me to give my position?"

"My position is we decided in the parliament that we had no confidence in him before the recall. That was not tied to the recall, so until he restores that confidence, he will not be the leader of the opposition."

Jules Vasquez, reporter
"Do you understand how it looks in the public all this public in-fighting. It looks like the UDP went from a implosion to now and explosion and its happening in public."

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"Well, this is necessary and I am happy that it is happening now rather than closer to the general elections. It is not something that you want, but it is something that is necessary and when you are dealing with reform and change, these things happen."

Faber Non Comital on 11th Amendment, Shyne Fumes

And perhaps the reason Leader of the Opposition Barrow is willing to throw caution to the wind is because his Party Leader is gently rubbing salt on his wound by refusing to take a position on the 11th amendment.

That's the controversial constitutional amendment that would bar anyone who has been convicted and served more than a year in jail from serving in the House of Representatives.

Faber has been publicly non-comital on this proposed amendment which has been criticised as ad hominem legislation to get Shyne Barrow out of the house.

Today, Shyne said his own party leader is using the amendment against him:

Hon. Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition
"He is weaponizing the 11th amendment. He has told me that he doesn't believe a convicted criminal should be in parliament and I quote and I challenge you to ask him whether or not he told me that and that is going to unify the party? That is going to move the party forward? That is healing? That is an olive branch? He is offering an olive branch with one hand and sticking you in your stomach with the other hand. This is quintessential Patrick Faber and this is why we don't want him, the majority of us don't want his as leader."

Channel 7


Re: Faber Survived, But Hon. Shyne Strikes Back [Re: Marty] #551520
07/15/21 05:01 AM
07/15/21 05:01 AM
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 74,809
oregon, spr
Marty Offline OP

.
Marty  Offline OP

Shyne Opens Up About Convention Outcome

Sunday’s recall convention saw Collet Area Representative Patrick Faber retaining his seat as leader of the United Democratic Party.  Despite surviving the recent attempt to have him ousted, Faber’s control of the U.D.P. is not absolute.  He is compelled to share the reins with Opposition Leader Shyne Barrow who is the official head of the party in parliament.  Both politicians share an antagonistic relationship and are tasked with having to work with each other as they try to steer the party through turbulent headwinds.  With the convention in their collective rearview, are Faber and Barrow prepared to move forward in unison or is there still animosity between the two leaders?  This afternoon, Barrow sat down with News Five to answer a few questions.

Shyne Barrow, Leader of the Opposition

“We didn’t really move on, it would have been better if Mr. Faber was recalled or he at least got the majority of the votes, then that would have been definitive.  But to come, not even to have forty-seven percent of the people vote to keep you and fifty-four percent of the delegates answered the question, because the question on the ballot was, “Do you want the honorable Patrick Faber to remain as leader of the U.D.P.?  And if fifty percent or fifty-four percent of the people, of the delegates, said no, that is problematic.  So we haven’t progressed, we haven’t moved forward.  So the idea that oh, you only needed one-third and we needed two-thirds, the numbers still don’t lie.  So certainly it would have been better for all of us had it gone convincingly one way or another, but the argument is being made and I join with that argument that fifty-four percent is significant.”

Isani Cayetano

“You guys have had somewhat of a contentious relationship, you don’t really see eye-to-eye on a great many things.  How do you plan on working together to bring the U.D.P. forward as a viable option, as the opposition party?”

Shyne Barrow

“It is very difficult to do that when the party leader is on TV saying publicly that the twenty-six standard bearers that lost are nobodies.  It is very difficult to that when he is saying that, you know, he is criticizing me for being unstable and erratic and all over the place.  For the last eight months, we have not had any NPC and that is one of the reasons he was removed as Leader of the Opposition because he was behaving in an autocratic, dictatorial fashion and we couldn’t go to the wider party because he said, this one doesn’t have standing, that one isn’t properly constituted.  So he suspended the constitution, in essence.  He suspended the activities of the highest authority in the U.D.P.”

Channel 5



Links
Portofino Resort- Now with a new BEACH BAR!!
Click for excellent scuba lessons with Elbert Greer!
Chaa Creek is an award-winning luxury Belize Resort, rated as one of the worlds best Eco Lodges. We are a pioneer in adventure travel to Belize since 1981!
Maruba Beach Klub and Spa is the premiere Secret Beach spa and restaurant located on the crystal blue waters of the Caribbean Sea at the center of Secret Beach, Belize
First Class Accommodations for the Budget Traveler
First Class Accommodations for the Budget Traveler

Things to do

News
Daily News
Daily Weather

Classified Ads
BelizeNews.com
San Pedro Sun
Ambergris Today
SP Town Council
Channel 7
Channel 5
Amandala
ReefTV
Love FM
The Reporter
PLUS TV
TV Newscasts
Radio Stations

Click for our
Search thousands of Belizean-only websites
To Get Your Questions Answered

Event Guides
Event Calendar
Specials & Events
Things to Do
SanPedroScoop
iTravel Belize
Paradise Theater
San Pedro Fun Finder
Paradise Guy Event Calendar
Cayo Event Calendar

Blogs
San Pedro Scoop!
Tia Chocolate
Tacogirl
My Beautiful Belize
I-Travel Belize
Belize Adventure
Belize Hub
Romantic Travel
Belize Happy Adventures
Conch Creative
Caribbean Culture & Lifestyle
More Blogs...
Search thousands of Belizean-only websites
White Sands Dive Shop - 5 Star PADI Dive Facility - Daily diving, SCUBA instruction and Snorkeling
Caribbean Inspired All Natural Condiments & Spice Blends, Over 100 are Gluten Free!
We manage a variety of homes, apartments, condos and commercial properties here on Ambergris Caye. Our minimum lease on ALL properties is six months.
Click for Ian Anderson's Caves Branch, Welcome to a World of Adventure
Lil Alphonse has snorkel equipment to fit anyone as well as Marine Park Tickets and flotation devices to assist those not as experienced.
Coastal Xpress offers a daily scheduled ferry run to most resorts, restaurants and private piers on the island of Anbergris Caye. We also offer  private and charter water taxi service.
July
S M T W T F S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31
Cayo Espanto
Click for Cayo Espanto, and have your own private island
More Links
Click for exciting and adventurous tours of Belize with Katie Valk!
ShoutChat Box
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 151 guests, and 0 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics74,904
Posts489,576
Members19,928
Most Online5,530
Jun 13th, 2021



AmbergrisCaye.com CayeCaulker.org HELP! Visitor Center Goods & Services San Pedro Town
BelizeSearch.com Message Board Lodging Diving Fishing Things to Do History
BelizeNews.com Maps Phonebook Belize Business Directory
BelizeCards.com Picture of the Day

The opinions and views expressed on this board are the subjective opinions of Ambergris Caye Message Board members
and not of the Ambergris Caye Message Board its affiliates, or its employees.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1