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Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep

Posted By: Marty

Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/24/13 10:33 AM

Last Thursday, residents of Caye Caulker voiced their discontentment with the ferrying of sand dredged off the coast of the island for use in neighboring San Pedro.† A group of angry citizens proceeded to block the path of several dump trucks, preventing them from offloading sand onto a waiting ferry.† The material, they argue, should be used to repair faulty streets on the island.† According to chairperson Wayne Miller, the village council is bound to a contract with businessman Damian Chamberlain.† That particular agreement, nonetheless, expires at the end of the month.† On Friday, Chamberlain met with residents in Caye Caulker, at the end of which an amicable agreement was struck.† The residents are prepared to purchase the sand from Chamberlain.† But where is the area representative and Minister of Tourism in all of this?† Over the weekend, the media caught up with Belize Rural South area representative Manuel Heredia who said that help is coming their way.

Manuel Heredia Jr., Area Representative, Belize Rural South

ďIíve heard about it but definitely I donít know what are the issues because I havenít been to Caye Caulker.Ē

Reporter

Manuel Heredia Jr.

ďCan you explain to us what is the situation with Caye Caulker?† Theyíre saying that they believe that theyíve been neglected by you as their area representative and as the Minister of Tourism who their main [source of] revenue comes under your portfolio.† How do you try to make amends with those citizens on Caye Caulker that you are working to get their island up to the level that San Pedro is?Ē

Manuel Heredia Jr.

ďYou know, when people react itís because of something that they donít like but if you can recall the rain is something natural.† Something natural that is all over Belize, all over our region and if you go to the island of San Pedro itís likewise and resources are limited.† So, our prime minister had made an extra effort to make sure that they assist every single area of Belize and Caye Caulker and San Pedro will be no exception.† And I have given the goods and services the same way, sometimes even more than what San Pedro gets.Ē

Reporter

ďSir, I know that one thing they want to know is that if the government would be able to support buying the sand from the company and keeping it in Caye Caulker because it really came from their island, the dredging outside of their coastline?Ē

Manuel Heredia Jr.

ďLet me be very clear on that.† Anything that is on the seabed is the property of the Government of Belize, not for the residents of any particular island.† Likewise in San Pedro, they have done likewise.† They dredge and an island in front of Belize was filled with sand that came from San Pedro.† A perfect example, Cozumel has a sand bank, Playa del Carmen and Isla Mujeres beaches from sand taken from Cozumel.† Probably the residents might [disagree] but itís not the property of the residents.† Itís the property of the Government of Belize and the chairman, if you saw the chairman, he said it clearly, the sand is for Mr. Chamberlain, he does what he wants with the sand.† Government will give them material, the right material to use in the streets that they need.† With this rains, if you put that sand over there itís a waste of money, itís a waste of time.† So they, we have the expertise, we have the people.† Ministry of Works will be going over there shortly and will make sure that they do an assessment and the government will provide some funding to be able to assist them.† To these people itís all about politics, itís not about reality, itís politics.Ē

Channel 5

Posted By: Dane

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/24/13 01:44 PM

The company sells a product without making it easy to find out the phone number or price.
Were they surprised that it didn't sell?
Anyone know these two bits of important info?
Posted By: martyd

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/24/13 06:52 PM

There is a story/money trail here for anyone with the seeds to dig it up.
The guy didn't buy a dredge and trucks and just show up without paying someone.
He's entitled to a profit, but where did the money go that should be used for improvements?
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/25/13 10:41 PM

Sic em, Martyd
Posted By: elbert

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/26/13 12:03 PM

"Manuel Heredia Jr.
ďLet me be very clear on that. Anything that is on the seabed is the property of the Government of Belize, not for the residents of any particular island. Likewise in San Pedro, they have done likewis
e."

Remember that Mr. Heredia said he would not sign off on the Mexico Rocks Reserve until the dredging interest where addressed. He obviously has a large interest in the dredging. Dredging possess a huge threat to the marine environment, The marine environment that provides all of us in tourism a livelihood and Mr. Hereadia is the minister of Tourism. It's unimaginable that he would be a proponent of dredging however it is also unquestionable that he is.
Posted By: Nate

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/27/13 09:02 PM

A couple folks have posted here of how dredging in and of itself is some sort of environmental disaster. A dredge is simply a dredge as a bulldozer is simply a bulldozer. Nobody wants to use either in an insensitive way. Sure, even when properly planned and permitted there will be some disruption to the benthic community, shredded turtlegrass and such. Luckily this normally repairs itself quite quickly in the area worked. The dredgers are avoiding the hell out of this material anyway. They're after sand not mud. The other concern of course is off-site turbidity, allowing sand to reach coral. I kayaked thru the site in question when the dredge was at full tilt and can assure you the turbidity reached less than 30 ft. from shore for a length of only about 50 ft, nowhere near as much as we see near most beaches when the seas kick up. This island needs sand, a lot of it. If you want to bad mouth dredging along Caye Caulkers shoreline as environmentally unsustainable please provide the evidence.
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/27/13 11:52 PM

You sound like a dredger to me.
Posted By: MikeD

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/28/13 12:54 AM

The report in this link pretty much addresses the issues of dredging near sea grasses and coral reefs.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025326X12001981
Posted By: Cooper

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/28/13 02:11 AM

ďI've heard about it but definitely I donít know what are the issues because I havenít been to Caye Caulker.Ē
The above from a quote from Heridia...
It dosnt matter who can buy the sand, the environmental inpact is what the problem is. Raping the sand.
Posted By: Dane

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/28/13 10:31 AM

My guys hand dredged an area the size of a ten ft circle and the turtle grass took twenty years to repair itself.
Posted By: Chris7

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/28/13 09:54 PM

" I donít know what are the issues because I havenít been to Caye Caulker."
No shit...maybe that's part of the problem, whaddaya think, Manny?! We could have elected the tooth fairy or easter bunny for our representative and gotten more sightings than with Mr. Heredia. HEAR HEAR also to the comment on how a tourism minister can support dredging. When we all live off snorkeling, diving or fishing, directly or indirectly. And yes we need sand on CC and so some dredging has to take place. Compromise. But nobody can seriously suggest it's not damaging to the seagrass beds and reef - thereby not only damagaing our livelihoods (=sea life), but also removing invaluable erosion barriers. So, to damage CC's environment to supply SP's development needs seems pretty crazy...
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/28/13 11:32 PM

Heredia is a .... well , politician = crook
Posted By: Cooper

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/29/13 12:17 AM

Hear, Hear, and dont forget what dredging does to the lobster population.
Posted By: Nate

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/29/13 11:44 PM

Sorry Mike but did you read your offered report? Nothing there about seagrasses. If turbidity was a problem to seagrass there wouldn't be none. Your report addresses the very unfortunate situation when unregulated assholes dredge near enough to coral to allow deposition there on. Certainly not the case in this discussion.
No Ernie I'm not a dredger but would not feel any less "green" if I were.
Twenty years may well be right Dane, I only know from historic satellite imagery hereabouts that suggests around 8 to 10 years (after hurricanes) but correct me if I'm wrong. Turtle grass is of course very important to the ecosystem. As humans we normally accept a little net loss as the cost of being us. Perhaps we should all tear our houses down.
Posted By: Nate

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/30/13 12:07 AM

What am I not supposed to forget about lobster and dredging Debbie?
Posted By: Dane

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/30/13 07:50 AM

The spots we dredged look better after 8 to ten years. I supposed from a Google space image they would look even better.
Hurricanes make a complex change that often benefits the reef and grass by scattering nutrients.
Posted By: MikeD

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/30/13 11:47 PM

Nate you clearly do not understand the interdependency of life in the sea. Dredging causes excessive turbidity which by the report can have long term effects that may or may not be recoverable. One significant effect in the report is decreased photosynthesis...how do you think seagrasses survive? Seagrass beds harbor life that feeds other life that feed the reef.

One fact is for sure...if the reef environment dies, so does tourism in Belize. Without that there will be no need for the beaches, ports, roads and other infrastructure being created by dredging. Nature can heal itself but when man disrupts the cycle the results can be devastating and irreversible.

A mountain of sand the size removed by the dredging clearly caused significant disturbance in the sea, the consequences of which have not been fully realized yet. STOP THE MADNESS.
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/31/13 12:10 AM

I Like Mike D !
Posted By: Dane

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/31/13 08:43 AM

Mike knows what he is talking about.
Posted By: Nate

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/31/13 07:21 PM

Gee Mike now your making this personal. I've said my peace. I'm sure I've pointed out to cooler heads here not to to take knee jerk statements about how dredging is killing the reef at face value. There is far more turbidity caused near the island by natural causes than any dredging (hand or power) could come close to. Check the beach on a windy day, particularly back side in a norther. Turbidity affecting coral is a non issue in this case. If you can refute that call the authorities.
The only case for dredging nearby being detrimental to the ecosystem would be in the actual seabed dredged. As I've said this is minor, renewable and if done wisely could have certain positives. Fisherman speak anecdotally of increased catches at dredge sites. The split could be made navigable to deeper draft vessels. Hell we could have a marina for deep draft visiting cruisers. I never hear your complaints with the far larger dredging frontside for beach renewal.
Posted By: MikeD

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/31/13 08:26 PM

In light of what is at stake here, I am speechless when people turn a blind eye to facts provided by scientific research.
Posted By: elbert

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 12/31/13 08:50 PM

Dredging helping fishing works like hunting in the forest. If you set the forest on fire the wild life are on the move and easy to spot and shoot.
This works great for deer,set a feild or woods afire and position yourself down wind so they run right into your firing range. It's very productive.... for the deer kill, not so good for the forest.
Posted By: MikeD

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 01/01/14 01:45 AM

I wish there was a like button here. Elbert sees the forest through the trees. smile
Originally Posted by elbert
Dredging helping fishing works like hunting in the forest. If you set the forest on fire the wild life are on the move and easy to spot and shoot.
This works great for deer,set a feild or woods afire and position yourself down wind so they run right into your firing range. It's very productive.... for the deer kill, not so good for the forest.
Posted By: Dane

Re: Caye Caulker streets to be repaired says area rep - 01/01/14 10:11 AM

Nate is right.
There are contrary effects from turbidity in the water from natural causes.

At Ocean Academy the younger students like to defend things by saying
Bobby Did It.

When you damage something, it is not justified by pointing out other damage.
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