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Chavez congragulates Morales

Posted By: clover

Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 03:59 AM

SIN....this should bake the cake
Evo Morales, the socialist coca farmer who would be Bolivia's first Indian president, appeared poised to join the ranks of like-minded leaders who have pushed Latin America's democracies to the left in recent years.

With exit polls running strongly in his favor, Morales took an early congratulatory phone call from Venezuela's belligerently anti-American president Hugo Chavez.

At a party at Morales' home in Cochabamba, his supporters toasted as the candidate announced that Chavez planned to contact Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Said Morales of Chavez: "He's going to tell Fidel the good news" - eliciting laughs from those nearby.

Morales has promised to be "Washington's nightmare," indicating he would exercise more state control over South America's second-largest natural gas reserves and bring an end to U.S.-backed coca eradication efforts.

A Morales presidency in Bolivia would signal further movement to the political left among Latin America's democracies. The political shift has brought leaders ranging from Chavez in Venezuela to the moderate center-left presidents of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile.

A major factor in each of those elections has been voters' frustration with free-market economic policies of the past decade to do more to alleviate entrenched poverty in the continent of more than 400 million people.

Recently elected leaders have rejected U.S.-backed initiatives including a hemisphere wide free-trade zone in favor of smaller trade, energy and business alliances in the name of South American unity.

But Morales would face the additional challenge of simply holding the country together. More affluent regions of the county with new natural gas reserves have threatened to secede.

Two exit polls projected Morales was leading his conservative rival, former President Jorge Quiroga, by more than 10 percentage points, making it likely he would be named president by Bolivia's congress. On Sunday, he thanked supporters for what he called his "great triumph," but tempered that by saying he would await official results confirming the outcome.

At his single-story home off a dirt road in Cochabamba, near the coca-growing region where he built his political movement, Morales said he was feeling "Good, but I'm a little nervous."

He prayed before a photograph of his late father, a miner who raised Morales' family in poverty, and joined a close circle of friends for a beef barbecue and boiled small potatoes, as cheerful supporters passed around rum-and-coke drinks.

On Sunday night, the crowd around Morales remained somewhat muted as the smiling candidate, wearing black jeans and sandals, joked with friends. Official results were not expected until Monday or Tuesday.

Morales said, in addition to Chavez, he received congratulatory calls from center-left President Nestor Kirchner of Argentina as well as a representative from the government of Brazilian leftist President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 06:36 PM

For every thing, turn, turn, turn
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 08:07 PM

Viva la Revolucion!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 09:08 PM

confused Viva leftist Bullsh*#! Sin must be in heaven! Chavez, Morales and SIN - Perfect Together!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 09:13 PM

:p One can be assured that Chavez and Morales will rescue their people from poverty just as Fidel has done in Cuba! Caaaaaaaaaack !!!
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/19/05 09:36 PM

I'm just happy upsetting Rykat for now (he he he).
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 12:35 AM

In the news today: Morales has backed off his assertation that he would "nationalize" the natural gas resources of Boliva...instead he is going to work with the gas companies to increase the tax revenues they pay to the Bolivian government........could of sworn I just read something on the Board about increased taxes in Belize.......Not being judgemental.....just the facts.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 01:28 PM

Don't cry for me Bolivia! Peron may have been considered Fascist in Argentina, but it is all the same thing with the same result -- tax private industry to death, give the wealth to the "poor" without regard for how wealth is generated. In 7 years time, all the country's wealth will be gone, no one will want to do business there because of the tax burden and another revolution will be needed to bring a true free market back to Bolivia. Viva la Revolucion, indeed SIN.
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 03:08 PM

I just can't understand how the world can be such a messed up place with such a proliferance of intelectuals (know it alls), especially who dedicate so much of their time on this message board.

Rome crumbled from within (as with the Maya) while they considered others barbarians.

SIN
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 03:12 PM

Chavez = state controlled industry
Bush = state monitored telephone conversations

Freedom or Security (hmmm.....???)
Posted By: Now Danny

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 03:25 PM

Bush = state monitored everything, even baby monitors.
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 03:58 PM

SIN....Some of us have a little spare time on our hands...this is kinda like a hobby...and you got to admit...hitting your hot button is good fun!
Posted By: Catatonic Motivator

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 04:40 PM

It appears that one of the main goals of the new president is to foster and support the drug trade. Is that a good thing? I mean, for anyone except the drug farmers and, most likely, the government officials who protect them.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 06:12 PM

Looks like a bunch of Bush dashers to me.
Not a way to get White House back.
Every Congressman, and Senator backed Bush after 9/11, and now that America has such a short memory, which I predicted at beginning, they want to go back to bashing, until we get hit again.
Also, just read, that Clinton used the NSA to ease drop during his tenure.
Be careful what you wish for.
God Bless America, our freedom, and support our troops, all over the World.
Yes, Bush also, and his top White House team.
Better Dead than Red.
Posted By: KWIBMF

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 06:18 PM

"Also, just read, that Clinton used the NSA to ease drop during his tenure."

Without judicial oversight?
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 06:59 PM

Not a Bush fan -- I don't have to be to see that Morales is peddling a failed philosophy that will only bring more misery to his people.
Posted By: ckocian

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 07:16 PM

Morales is the fourth president since 2002 in Bolivia. They do know how to kick the bums out. Of course, since he's the first indigenous he may get a little more mileage out of that.
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 07:28 PM

9/11 was Bush's at his best. Gained support and used it to capture not one, but two countries, and use "homeland security" to turn the USA into a police state (only a few thousand folks killed). I really liked the official "OOOOooops" as the dust settled recently.

There is no way he had anything to do with it. I mean after all he IS after the American's best interest. Just ask the folks in New Orleans.

SIN
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 08:10 PM

Sir Isaac Newton

Maybe you should ask the persons who run that state, the Governor, of that state, of Louisiana, and city of New Orleans, the Mayor.
But we have to attach the President, why not, blame everything on the President, including gas prices.
Open up the Oil fields in Alaska, and other places in the states.
No, easier to blame the President.
Enough from Me on this. That might be my last message on this subject.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 08:13 PM

At least Belize is willing to drill for oil, and I hope it will help the people of Belize.
Wake up America.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 08:38 PM

SIN, I agree Bush isn't a very good leader, but this is the second time you have called the US a police-state. This is quite hilarious. I am against the erosion of civil liberties that is happening, but c'mon. You use America's shortcomings as justification for Castro, Morales, and Chavez. Their ideas need to stand on their own -- so far they only exist because they have been able to call on the nationalism of the masses. Their policies suck, but that doesn't matter so long as they stick it to America -- brilliant!
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 10:41 PM

The beginning stages of a police state exist when:

a leader is brought into power through illegal means

a national catastrophe is used as the pretext to begin a war and institute extraordinary restrictions on constitutional liberties

citizen dissent is held to be treasonous

the constitutional separation of powers is abrogated by a power-mad executive branch which controls or intimidates the other two branches of government

(thinking)
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/20/05 11:52 PM

The least government is the best government.
This is really sad....but I actually agree with SIN on this one. Bush embarrasses me abroad...his disapproval rating at home is 56%...by the way I think that is the percentage of Americans that can actually read and write. As far as Morales is concerned....who cares!
Posted By: SP Daily

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 02:51 AM

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan called on all the Bolivian people Tuesday to support the new government and Legislature and to use the opportunity to work together in favor of progress and stability.
http://www.plenglish.com/Article.asp?ID={D5DB153C-339B-4ACD-93D7-98E0464EFB3E}&language=EN
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 03:04 AM

US congragulates Bolivian election victory
http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-12-20-voa90.cfm
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 11:08 AM

mad No clover, my dear that 56% represents those that havent got a f'n clue. Kinda like.....you and SIN! You know those idiots that Leno interviews on the street and the only picture they recognize is....Michael Jackson!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 11:12 AM

:rolleyes: right on Corona Steve and remember Louisiana has been run by Dems for over 25 years and its one of the US's biggest shitholes!
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 01:47 PM

The beginning stages of a police state exist when:

a leader is brought into power through illegal means (oh, please -- let's not go there)

a national catastrophe is used as the pretext to begin a war and institute extraordinary restrictions on constitutional liberties (agree on this one -- I see the "1984" scenario playing out if we're not careful -- but we're far from that now)

citizen dissent is held to be treasonous (come on! Just because someone in Washington questions the patriotism of someone else when they dissent, don't believe we're to the point that dissent is truly being quashed -- take a trip to China or Saudi Arabia for heaveb's sake)

the constitutional separation of powers is abrogated by a power-mad executive branch which controls or intimidates the other two branches of government (Republicans can't even use their majority to get THEIR OWN agenda through -- please!)
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 03:32 PM

In a free society, police agencies respond to evidence of planned and actual criminal activity.

Police officers in a free society keep the peace; they do not investigate citizens and activities unless there is some reason to investigate.

In a free society, police do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the central government, only their action.

Citizen dissent is lawful in a free society and police agencies do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the criminal justice apparatus.

As to Rykat's comment about being an idiot.....

.....consider the source. Do you still live in your bomb shelter? No? Maybe you should. Don't plan on feeling welcome here, but I have heard Daytona Beach is nice (for your kind).

SIN
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 03:48 PM

Rykat....boy you hurt my feelings now...just the other day I was jacking up SIN over his Chavez and Castro dialogue...and now you have grouped me in with him! I don't know what I am now!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 11:06 PM

laugh And if you dont know how could we?????????
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/21/05 11:57 PM

I'm a Captjeff "convert" understudy....just living the dream. I'm a new man.

Signed

Tookie Williams
Posted By: klcman

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:00 AM

that was mean.....what happened to the recently posted edict that mean-spirited posts would be pulled? confused
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:01 AM

Obviously no one has a sense of humor.
Posted By: klcman

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:12 AM

Obviously you thought that was
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:26 AM

obviously
Posted By: klcman

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:32 AM

backatcha J wink

no hate here, only love ( can't speak for others)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:34 AM

love & humor wink
clover ≠ clever
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:35 AM

Who posted and when was that 'mean sprited' notice posted?
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 12:36 AM

Jeez....I didn't know Tookie had any fans outside of Compton, CA.!
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 04:49 PM

There may be a lot you don't know. Jamie Fox is not from Compton.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 07:47 PM

How ironic it is that the heads of this site can take off the topic about American Presidents, and keep the topic about Chevez and Morales.
Am I missing something.
Wake up America & this Message board.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/22/05 09:02 PM

Thats because Chevez and belize have deals to make. And good ones in my opinion
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 02:28 AM

:p SIN read post 12-21 8:08 am
are you a Leno Idiot? cause I didnt comment that you were an idiot but you sure took it that way hahahaha!!
Your dribble about Daytona is undecipherable...ergo....blithering idiot?
Posted By: PattiCake

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 03:22 AM

Frankly, I liked it WAY better before NAFTA; I liked it when Canadian gas and oil belonged to Canada. We have been ROYALLY screwed in the auto manufacturing sector.

Now that NAFTA is hemisphere-wide, is the U.S. attempting to run, singlehandedly, the entire western section of the globe? Why didn't the US assist when the bottom fell out of Brazil's economy? What is wrong with coca? Many beneficial narcotics (controlled) are produced from it.

Ya'ain't gettin' our Canadian water an' I hope ya know that.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 02:35 PM

What did happen to the Presidents topic.
Removed, I gather for more propaganda, for Cheves, and afraid for persons to talk about the good ole USA.
Chavez is pushing his propaganda to Belize also, and when he has what he wants, watch out, he is another dictator trying to influence South America and Central. He should first help his own people.
Remember The Marco's family, lived like a king, and promised the poor, but never did. A power hungry Family, only.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 03:25 PM

ERR steve , maybe you might change your name then. Beer kinda gives way to spoiled nature don't ya tink ?
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 03:41 PM

Is all this in good humor.
Just checking
Corona Steve
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 04:56 PM

of course not - but it's still funny wink
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 05:06 PM

Your right, all in fun, unless we are talking about bridge, and roads north.
and dev. in the North.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 05:07 PM

Maybe I could get Chevez to drill on my property some day
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 06:00 PM

Jesse, you are getting a little critical with my spelling, Maybe I will call Chevron instead.
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 06:00 PM

Good liquor!
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 06:04 PM

Thanks Clover, no beer yet, but in 1 hour, will have some Corona, not Chevron, or Cheves, not even Chaves.
Happy Holidays, op, Merry Christmas.
By the way, Jesse, could not find you when down 12-10-05.
Must have been at wqrong Bar.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 06:08 PM

Over the cut, behind Toms place, about 1/4 mile
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/23/05 08:56 PM

Rykat = backwoods (parents related) redneck


YEEEEEHHHAAAAAAAW!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 03:43 AM

SIN = = = 0 :p
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 03:48 AM

Too many white boys up there for me!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 03:57 AM

eek In NJ??? Haha! try Newark, Camden, South Orange, Paterson, Asbury Park, clover, you would get your .....full!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 03:58 AM

Are those places in America...do they sell tacos there?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 04:08 PM

Jesse , reading the article showed me that in general , The west really sucks.


"The winner, Evo Morales, will be the first member of the indigenous majority to run Bolivia since the conquistadors arrived nearly five centuries ago."

Expect to see a lot more of it. It explains one thing really well. Why Belizeans quite forcefully remind us it is their country. 500 years !! god , that's a long time. I thought american blacks waiting 89 years was a long time for some equality 1868 to 1957
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 05:48 PM

Well, ok one more..


He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. [among these, our treaties, the fourth amendment, and statutes against warrantless domestic surveillence]

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers. [going around the FISA court]

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. [packing the court with ideologues]

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power. [engaging in torture, asserting extraordinary wartime powers]

Quite a surprise to who wrote this;
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/24/05 06:50 PM

Part 2

"For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: [a few bad apples]

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury: [Jose Padilla]

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences: [extraordinary rendition]

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: [treaty violations, wartime powers]

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. [once again, assertions of immunity from Congressional statute]"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/25/05 12:32 AM

"The above are the charges levelled by Thomas Jefferson against GeorgeIII. "
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/25/05 09:50 PM

:rolleyes: mad One would hope that the above rambles, and interpretations, arenot coming from a frenchman? For as all of us from the "dirty" West know: the french swim with the Jellyfish!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/25/05 09:51 PM

mainly the interpretations!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/26/05 12:52 AM

If you want to be a cynic , you will have to get better than that! Just a few elected congressman , without traveling much it would seem, changed french toast to freedom toast in their cafeteria...

To bad, they didn't check first to see if french toast existed in France LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/26/05 03:15 PM

laugh who cares...anything french sucks...always has.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/26/05 08:32 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Rykat:
laugh anything french sucks...
Hey now.... when I was in the Navy I had a girlfriend from Toulon... and she didn't... ummm wait a minute, oh... yes she did. sorry. eek
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/26/05 09:54 PM

ry kat , are you sure you have ever left home ? Didn't like tom jefferson either i guess.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/26/05 09:56 PM

I like their bread better than their wine. Now the Italians have wine! eek
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 03:51 AM

john pain: having a reading problem? Love tom despise your interps. Hello! Hello!! Got it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 03:53 AM

laugh best of france, bottle of Thunderbird....................same thing!
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 02:48 PM

Rykat, all the boarders eagerly look forward to the day when you openly embrace who you are and stop hiding behind your gung-ho rhetoric - there is nothing wrong with being gay, after all it is almost 2006! (we believe in you)

(inspired from American Beauty)

SIN
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 04:38 PM

laugh Ill "embrace" under one condition SIN that you march with me in the St Patrick's Day Parade "gay section" this March. Gotta promise there sweety boy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 04:56 PM

eek laugh And bring john pain with you! Those are my conditions and Im stickin to em' you devil!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:01 PM

I hate that restricted sign!
Posted By: travelqueen

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:03 PM

clover, perhaps throw a pocketknife in with these folks... jeez! LOL
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:06 PM

Now I hate pocketknives!
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:06 PM

I hate pocketknives.... eek
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:06 PM

Actually, I prefer big-assed machetes eek
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 06:10 PM

I prefer fraggin the hooch of all haters.
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 08:35 PM

[img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:k5rl_O2hQNsJ:porkypig.free.fr/1983/scarface.[/img]
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 09:16 PM

Do I even want to know what "fraggin the hooch" is? eek
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 10:08 PM

I kinda thought that but then figured after all this time it surely must mean something else. eek
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 11:29 PM

Get a grip Jesse......laughter is the best medicine....no one is gonna frag your hooch...jeez....
Posted By: deacon+

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/27/05 11:48 PM

Jesse, AMEN
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 12:06 AM

Now see?? I KNEW that phrase had some fragosity to it. eek
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 12:14 AM

And that rhymes with Synchronicity...
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 01:10 AM

Some people get too caught up in their own mortality.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 02:24 PM

http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 02:30 PM

You don't expect me to share that with my wife do ya?
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 02:59 PM

The subject might as well be taken off, as this topic has fallin off the wall, and turned into a mess.
Original topic is forgotten, start a new one to handle new discussion.
What has this chat room turned into.
??????
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 03:14 PM

Steve... I have been here for years and have never seen a discussion ever stay on topic. That's what's so nice about this place. Tired of the subject, give it time and it will change to something else eek
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 03:40 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/27/bolivia.aid.ap/index.html

Here you go Corona Steve...
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 03:58 PM

It appears that the United States is not the big bad Multinational rapist of Bolivia..according to this article the "ugly Americans" are actually the Latin American cousin Brazil, and Spain, France and England...sshhhh! Don't tell anyone.
http://www.thedailyjournalonline.com/article.asp?CategoryId=12394&ArticleId=214795
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 03:58 PM

Viva la Revolucion!!!!
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 06:51 PM

Wow! Did we come full circle? Nice to see Bolivia turning on all the West and not just the U.S. This will ensure total economic collapse much faster.
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 07:08 PM

It seems to me that the only person mentioning "HATERS" is the board police. laugh What happened to all that Peace and Christmas Greetings?
Posted By: Ernie B

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 07:14 PM

Thats more like it!
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 07:21 PM

and.............


.............Viva la Revolucion!


SIN
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 08:17 PM

SIN and Jesse -- no hating here, just friendly banter -- you guys are fun. Viva la Difference!
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 09:59 PM

Expressing an opinion on the economic or political policy of a nation is "hate?" Whew... You'd have to delete your own account several times over.
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:04 PM

Jesse has been a little sensitive the last couple of days......must be the waning of the Socialist Moon.....
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:21 PM

What attitude? I encourage them to nationalize all the means of production owned by Brazil, Spain, France and Britain. Viva La Revolucion!!!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:37 PM

Keep dreaming about the wording Jesse....it's still nationalization.

"Finally, Brazil's pragmatic president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, could also constrain Mr. Morales' ambitions. Brazil is now effectively Bolivia's only foreign investor, and its role is likely to grow even more crucial, because Mr. Morales promises to nationalize the subsoil and keep high royalties on oil and natural gas exploitation that have kept out investors from other countries. So Bolivia will need Petrobras, the Brazilian energy giant, to expand its investments."

We will see if another socialist country (brazil) is willing to curtail their profits (and tax base for Brazil) for the sake of Bolivians......and then invest more capital!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:50 PM

Hard money investors expect to make more than the 8-10% the stock markets return.....Drilling companies are going to want higher profits whether they are from Chino or the US. The fuel has to be shipped and refined......and Venezuela is certainly closer to Belize.......but you guys deal with that guy...I think he just likes his name in the paper.....his country is still poor when all should be rich.......cut your best deal....that's the American Way!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:55 PM

China...not Chino.......
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 10:57 PM

The point is you need to do something with your petro....and it needs refining.....that is either the good ole USA or Venezuela.....and I frankly don't care which one you choose...because it is still going to sell at market rate around the world!!!!!
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/28/05 11:08 PM

I would prefer that Belize not have anything to do with the US at all concerning their oil or oil production....we already get blamed for every problem in the world......I'd prefer some other nation get sheet upon this time.
Send it to China...good luck.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 02:04 AM

Thanks clover! Glad to see another "hate"r
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 02:41 AM

Hate what? I must be missing something.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 01:37 PM

Just joking. It would seem we're labeled haters because we don't conform to the political philosophy of those moderating this board. Shame really, 'cause Jesse seems to be a nice guy. SIN seems cool as well. If you love AC, you can't be all bad. cool
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 02:57 PM

Haters? Guatemala? China? Venezuela? Bolivia?

How did a board like this turn into a stage for international debate about political philosophies?

If you sit back and simply read some of the educated garbage on here, it doesn't take long to realize who are simply the trouble-makers, psuedo-intellectuals, wannabe derelict brain-trusts... etc. who day after day try to convince us of how intelligent they are...

If you take offense at what I just said and considering a reply attacking my observations, then perhaps you are the one I am speaking about.

Becareful of your reply lest we all know for certainty...


eek
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 02:58 PM

Glad to see topic back on track, and some good reading. Denny, you were right about topic.
It did do a 360
Worth keeping topic.
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 04:15 PM

Little Johnny had just moved to a new town.
Everyday after school he stopped at the local store and bought candy on his way home.
After a month or so the owner said to Johnny,"If you eat candy every day you will die young". Johnny said, "My grandfather lived to be 96". The owner said, "Did he eat candy every day"? Johnny said, "No he minded his own damn business".
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:00 PM

lol Clover! Denny, maybe I'm the guy you're talking about, maybe not. If there's one thing I know for sure, it's that I have a lot to learn. This is no attempt to be a "wanna-be brain trust." I do enjoy exchanging ideas with those who have a perspective from outside the U.S. I just haven't heard anything that changes my mind about Castro, Chavez, or Morales. BTW, nice new head!
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:19 PM

Hay clover, nice to see you turn topic around 360 again.
What, you like to do this, might think of growing up, or do you like to do this, have wasted time on your hands.
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:21 PM

Don't take it personally, just joking, as we all can have fun
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:23 PM

I kinda like the little Johnny joke!

more Morales info on the wire.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13503741.htm
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:35 PM

I own a design/build construction business...and winter is here = time on my hands.
I have been doing it since 1973 = If I'm not grown up by now it's too late!
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 05:40 PM

Otteralum, anyone that knows me, knows that I rarely name names... however, in your case I'll make an exception... you are not among the ones I am speaking about. I think they know who they are... or should be intelligent enough to know. eek

It's not that I am against such conversation as I enjoy it myself... however, there is a time and place for everything... this is not the place.
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 07:21 PM

"Always be willing to look at both sides of the argument. Understanding the other side is the best way to stengthen your own."

- Jim Rohn

If you don't like the thread........then.........


SIN
Posted By: Corona Steve

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 07:54 PM

Denny, why not. Could educate some of us.
In a way, it concerns those who own land in AC, because of new found Oil.
Also, it could impact Belize, being in Central America, close to Cuba, and what could happen to Belize, politically.
Clover, none of want to grow up, so have fun.
Your comments are an education in itself.
Go for it.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 10:04 PM

Well Otter... I guess for one thing this entire conversation may be suited for the other sections of the board, namely: "About Other Parts of Belize" or "Living in Belize".

When this section was created by Marty I honestly don't think he had political discussions in mind.

...and SIN...
"Always be willing to look at both sides of the argument. Understanding the other side is the best way to stengthen your own."

trust me... as a retired Judge I know the quotation... but I am more interested in the part of your retort:

"If you don't like the thread........then..."

Why not educate me here... then what? eek
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/29/05 11:46 PM

Denny,

No disrespect intended. I do appreciate your viewpoint and past professional career.

But, this is General Chat, no? Educated or not, discussions involving issues in and around our region may prove interesting. I kinda' enjoyed discussing it, even if others don't share my veiwpoint.

As to the later statement, I was trying to convey idea of this forum being like a buffet - take what you want and leave what you don't want (or leave the thread if not impressed or interested).

Cool runnin's mon.

SIN
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 12:07 AM

After very little thought I think y'all may be right here. Those interested can read and participate... those not involved can not read.

I know what you're thinking... what's Denny gonna do? LOL :rolleyes:
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 02:35 AM

That's an awful sharp toungue you have today Denny......oh well......you'll get over it. I own a small business in Belize so I do have an interest in how regional politics might effect Belize.
POINT:
(1) Belize is a Latin American country
(2) The politics of the Latin American reqion will ultimately effect Belize.
(3) How that effects the natives of Belize...and ultimately the tourists that love to go there....is important.
I think that most poeple that I have met that have been to Belize love the people...there's white sand, palm trees, and blue water in lots of other places...but the people of Belize make it a special place.
They deserve the best for themselves and their families.........and if Socialism is the answer...so mote it be......frankly I encourage them......as SIN would say
Viva La Revolucion!!!!

Nationalization probably isn't the answer ( we learned this from Castro's Cuba) but somewhere in between will be the best...and again I encourage it. This Board is a perfect place to talk about this....because it needs to be said.

Now Denny............you really don't know people until you really get to know them. And as a Judge you should respect the 1st Amendment...live and let live...
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 02:52 AM

Thank you for the correction!
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 11:48 AM

clover... I DO believe in freedom of speech, etc... however, everything has a time and a place. All I am saying is that this particular conversation would serve better perhaps in a different section of the board... but it won't be the first time I was wrong and won't be the last I'm sure. eek :rolleyes:
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 01:17 PM

I feel a kumbaya moment coming....
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 04:13 PM

Point taken.....now let's let this thread die.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 05:07 PM

kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya... eek
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 05:34 PM

And.......

Viva la Revolucion!!!!

Happy New Year Chavez!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 05:54 PM

Quote
Originally posted by clover:
Jesse has been a little sensitive the last couple of days......must be the waning of the Socialist Moon.....
Most americans were taught in school that socialism was just one step away from communism. So , if you didn't bother to find out it was not true, then you would not really know that BELIZE is also a socialist country. For all the ones ,that want to hurry and sell before your friends find out you live in asocialist country , let me know..
Posted By: weile

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 05:57 PM

Sorry John, Belize is anything BUT a socialist country. Trust me, I grew up in one...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:06 PM

Quote
Originally posted by clover:
Keep dreaming about the wording Jesse....it's still nationalization.

"Finally, Brazil's pragmatic president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, could also constrain Mr. Morales' ambitions. Brazil is now effectively Bolivia's only foreign investor, and its role is likely to grow even more crucial, because Mr. Morales promises to nationalize the subsoil and keep high royalties on oil and natural gas exploitation that have kept out investors from other countries. So Bolivia will need Petrobras, the Brazilian energy giant, to expand its investments."

We will see if another socialist country (brazil) is willing to curtail their profits (and tax base for Brazil) for the sake of Bolivians......and then invest more capital!
You will just have to study up , that socialism not only works, but can excel. As in this EDF.http://www.edf.fr/1i/Accueilfr.html
Just look below a little at the yellow map.

Gee, every person has health coverage in europe, that's like giving everyone a blanket. And it's less likely that someone will try and take yours because of it.

The tens of thousands that work at EDF are all government workers. BUT !!!! They go on strike anytime the government talks about selling. You will never read that from AP. Besides as a former freight broker , i know the same product can change hands four or five times ,before the product makes it to its destination. This is what chavez has cut. It has upset the brokers of oil, the brokers of boats, the brokers of storage, and so on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:10 PM

Quote
Originally posted by weile:
Sorry John, Belize is anything BUT a socialist country. Trust me, I grew up in one...
The ten new EU country's are no different. They just have a lot of help, and belize does not. You must count the low population and large land mass. Infrastucture ,belize will never afford....
You must of grew up in the UK, The pound has been propping up the dollar for a long time. Imagine what the euro and the dollar would be if the UK actually joined the EU , instead of the sidelines..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:17 PM

The single most important thing in a government is : For the people. Yet , France is the only country that i know, that can quickly make its government listen, by forcing it to its knee's.

Besides the 3 day transit strike of just one city in theUSA, the last time was when ronnie raygun fired all the air traffic controllers. That was a long time ago sheeple !!
Posted By: weile

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:27 PM

John,
Actually grew up in one of the few well functioning (semi)-socialist (very far from communist) parts of the world, Scandinavia in the 60's and 70's. Wasn't bad at all.
But... Please give me one example that will categorize Belize as a socialist country?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:36 PM

Norway has the best crib to grave system in the world. And also one of the very highest rates of suicide. Maybe because it's dark a lot.
But you didn't say which one. Norway, denmark, sweden, or finland.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 06:38 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4567000.stm
Posted By: weile

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 07:08 PM

John,
Actually not Norway, but Iraq has the highest rate of suicide at the moment. For different and nastier reasons, I admit.
I am from Denmark, where people don't commit suicide quite as often as they enjoy themselves to death.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 07:42 PM

Denmark currency did not join the euro either did it ?
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 07:53 PM

So much for kumbaya --- Scandanavia's socialism works very well because the society is very homogeneous and have near zero birth rates. Socialism is showing itself to be a failed experiment in the majority of the EU that is forced to deal with diversity and growing populations. France and Germany have staved off the inevitable by working together like 2 bankrupt companies joining forces -- together they can prop each other up, but only for so long. The EU has opened up borders among neighbor nations to assist with their major labor crisis. However, this will only work for so long before the problems of individual nations will prove unwieldy for the nations together. Especially with China now on the world stage, the EU will be unable to sustain both their welfare states with 35 hour work weeks and free, well everything, and also be a prominent world economic power.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 08:03 PM

Sorry clover -- couldn't resist
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 08:25 PM

How bout' Canada?
Posted By: weile

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 08:46 PM

John,
No they didn't and that has proven to be a big mistake, which is bound to be corrected soon.

Otteralum (Doesn't anybody want to give up their real name here?),
"Near zero birth rates"? Where do you get your facts from? Please tell this to my numerous nieces and nephnews in Scandinavia...
"Free, well everything" in Europe???? What are you talking about??? Have you ever lived there? Minumum tax in DK is 54% which is why i.e. basic heathcare is (and should be) free.

I do agree though. Socialism doesn't work. But wait another 20 years and people have had enough of the G.W.B.'s of this world, and the focus will be on quality of life rather than who you can invade to show that you're a tough guy. That's when the Scandinavian model will prove its brilliance.
Posted By: Sir Isaac Newton

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 08:51 PM

True thing mon.....who the cap fit!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/30/05 11:30 PM

Quote
Originally posted by Otteralum:
So much for kumbaya --- Scandanavia's socialism works very well because the society is very homogeneous and have near zero birth rates. Socialism is showing itself to be a failed experiment in the majority of the EU that is forced to deal with diversity and growing populations. France and Germany have staved off the inevitable by working together like 2 bankrupt companies joining forces -- together they can prop each other up, but only for so long. The EU has opened up borders among neighbor nations to assist with their major labor crisis. However, this will only work for so long before the problems of individual nations will prove unwieldy for the nations together. Especially with China now on the world stage, the EU will be unable to sustain both their welfare states with 35 hour work weeks and free, well everything, and also be a prominent world economic power.
I always laugh when i read an american idea on socialism, Like all your info comes from AP the biggest gossip line writer of all of them..

Do you remember the "riots" of France . Sure you do , you saw lots of it and even had some of it compared to iraq. They know how to burn cars don't they ???

So the point is; for the previous 10 months before the "riots" they averaged 650 cars a weekend. Take that times 10 months times 4 weekends a month times 650 and that's how many cars were already burned before the "riots" riotous laughter...
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 02:10 AM

Thanks for correcting us all John....you're a helluva guy to remind us of what you think we think, and of course to make fun of our education...way of life etc....where do you live by the way? It can't be in America...you'd already be a statistic.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 02:50 AM

Good point weile. There is no free lunch -- the people will all pay for it one way or another. Unemployment is double-digits in most of the E.U. and will remain that way so long as there is such a disincentive to work and the xenophobia persists as it does. As for the birth rate, another good catch -- I should have said population growth rates are near zero in Scandanavia and when coupled with their homogeneous society, it makes the socio-economic comparison with the U.S. and the rest of Europe quite hard.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 03:05 AM

laugh How could one possibly use the word "france" (no capital) in a sentence and keep a straight face?
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 03:08 AM

Good point Rykat
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 06:42 AM

I always laugh when i read an american idea on socialism, Like all your info comes from AP the biggest gossip line writer of all of them..

I laugh , because it reveals you have no clue.
French toast does not exist. How come your congressmen did not bother to check first ? Highly educated lawyers ? And with the sheeple in tow. Freedom toast bandwagon. Read a mexican history book sometime , if you want the real story of texas being stolen and illegally occupied. OH ! but they are just "mexican" like the "french". So i guess "belizeans" are happy to know some of you and how you post here. Do you believe they like belize to be your playground ?
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 08:46 AM

John, I'm talking labor markets and xenophobia, and you're talking, well, uh,, stupid politicians and French Toast. Last post from me cause I must have "no clue"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 09:34 AM

Just take EDF for example. A perfect example of unions , people power, and them making the government listen. NOT the other way around. As i said, if you were raised in the usa, you have no clue about socialism unless you live in it. Why for example is the EU constantly expanding and already a larger economy than the usa ? Where to to join the EU , you cannot have the death penalty and eveyone must have universal health care. It is the usa that has no health system and murders people as a penalty
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 03:45 PM

Geez, and when I woke up this morning, the only thing I worried about was how my coffee would taste in the new machine. eek
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 12/31/05 04:39 PM

"Celebrations were taking place amid tight security as such cities as Sydney and Paris feared repeats of recent ethnic riots and authorities were on guard against terror attacks"

"Associated Press Writer
17 minutes ago"

gossip column
Posted By: clover

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 01/01/06 02:21 AM

John: have you ever thought about seeking anger management therapy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Chavez congragulates Morales - 01/01/06 04:03 AM

laugh One word anthem of the french: SURRENDER!
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