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Posted By: Sam Scuba

Safe Sea - 06/12/04 03:07 PM

Will be going to San Pedro 7/9-16 and have been reading the stories about pica pica. Will I need Safe Sea in July? If so, does anyone know where I can buy it in California or can I just wait until I get to S.P?
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 06/12/04 03:10 PM

If you've been reading the stories about Pica Pica, didn't any of them mention that the season should be over by then?
Posted By: toy4irma

Re: Safe Sea - 06/12/04 03:24 PM

Sam...I bought our Safe Sea ....just to be safe... at drugstore.com. $7.95 with sunblock spf 30. I bought two bottles, they're only 4oz and it was 5.95 for handling..No shipping charge for three day delivery.
We'll be there July1-11 staying at Banana Beach. Where are you staying??
Posted By: Sam Scuba

Re: Safe Sea - 06/12/04 03:38 PM

toy4irma (I'll get your name right this time),
Thanks. I'll check out the website. I admit I "skim" the website posts so probably miss details along the way. Am staying at The Palms and would be delighted if you stopped by.
Posted By: Lola

Re: Safe Sea - 06/13/04 03:53 AM

Where do you buy this SafeSea stuff? Any drug store or what?
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 06/13/04 12:41 PM

www.nidaria.com
Posted By: Hareball

Re: Safe Sea - 06/14/04 04:27 PM

I noticed that there is a Safe Sea for divers. There is no sunscreen in it. Most of the people have mentioned the SPF 30 version. Would anyone make a recommendation for divers?
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 06/14/04 07:05 PM

Seems to me that if your intention is to rub it all over your body in places that the sun don't shine, the SPF version wouldn't be that necessary. Since you can buy two bottles with a slight discount, you may want to consider getting a divers bottle and a bottle with some level of SPF (15 or 30) to cover your face and the back of your hands.
Posted By: USNA73

Re: Safe Sea - 08/31/04 11:58 AM

We just returned from our annual trip to Hilton Head. At this time of year you have a 50/50 chance of coming in contact with some kind of stinging nettle. We didn't need the Safe Sea in AC this summer so we had a couple bottles, then I ordered more on-line (drugstore.com) for the extended family (4 adults & 2 kid - thankfully staying elsewhere laugh ). Anyway, we all used it. No stings whatsoever. Mom-in-law actually saw a jelly float across her wrist...no sting!

We gave a bottle to our favorite lifeguard. She had heard of Safe Sea, but never seen it. That evening the guards had sea trials including a long swim way out into the ocean. Well, next day we got the report. She was the only guard who didn't get stung.

Of course, if Safe Sea becomes popular, we won't be able to watch the Jellyfish Dance anymore. Folks won't be jumping around like banshees in the water when they get stung... :rolleyes:

Note: Meat tenderizer is good for application immediately after sting. The lifeguards at HH keep a mixture of vinegar and water on hand in spray bottles for after sting.

Peter cool
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 08/31/04 12:43 PM

That's the best testimony I've seen to date.

I suspect that the lifeguards at Hilton Head are putting a little run on the product just now. www.nidaria.com is probably getting a lot of hits on their ordering site this week. smile
Posted By: chattykathy

Re: Safe Sea - 08/31/04 08:38 PM

We dove for 10 days in June and bought a few bottles from drugstore.com. We didn't need it, but was glad I'd brought it along just in case. Have fun!
Posted By: egcntrk

Re: Safe Sea - 09/01/04 05:18 PM

Give the dive shops in your area a call to see if they carry it. The drive was less expensive than shipping fees. Our snorkel guide said that vaseline works, too. Anyone tried it?
Posted By: USNA73

Re: Safe Sea - 09/02/04 11:44 AM

I use vaseline in my mustache to create a tight seal with my mask. I can say definitely that no jellyfish have ever stung my mustache... laugh
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 09/02/04 12:25 PM

Hey Eg, it's up to you of course, but which would you rather slather yourself with?
Posted By: egcntrk

Re: Safe Sea - 09/02/04 06:13 PM

Seashell, I had that very thought! Who knows, someone might prefer it. laugh Hubby uses it for the seal factor, also.
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 09/20/04 08:51 PM

Here's an article from Stanford regarding a double blind study that they did on Safe Sea product:

Stanford University Medical Center 02.06.2004

Title: Cream may ward off jellyfish stings, Stanford study suggests

Two dozen volunteers bravely exposed their arms to jellyfish tentacles as part of a new Stanford University School of Medicine study to test a topical, over-the-counter cream designed to protect against stinging nettles. Fortunately for the volunteers, the cream appeared to be relatively effective.

"It didn’t completely inhibit the stings, but it came pretty darn close," reported Alexa Kimball, MD, MPH, an assistant professor of dermatology who directed the study. The study appears in the June issue of the journal Wilderness and Environmental Medicine.

The Stanford researchers borrowed sea nettles from the Monterey Bay Aquarium to do the testing on volunteers in a research clinic at Stanford Hospital. These nettles are known to sting swimmers, surfers and boaters worldwide, including along the Chesapeake Bay and the coastlines of Florida and California. Their stings cause a burning sensation, as well as swelling, pain and occasional blisters.

Study collaborators at the Bert Fish Medical Center in Florida also tested a more dangerous species known as the box jellyfish or sea wasp, which is prevalent along the Florida and Texas coasts and around the Gulf of Mexico. The stings from these jellyfish can cause severe reactions and can be life-threatening, particularly in young children.

The two portions of the study involved a total of 24 volunteers who had one arm smeared with the sting-inhibiting cream, which also contains sunscreen, and the other arm with a commercial sunscreen alone. The researchers took wet jellyfish tentacles stored in tanks and placed them on the forearms of the volunteers for up to 45 seconds. The tentacles contain nematocysts, a group of nasty little cells that can eject a toxin-carrying harpoon in a fraction of a second. Kimball said the researchers had no difficulty finding willing subjects for the testing, as many were surfers or others who had been stung before and wanted to find a way to protect themselves against future injury.

She and her fellow dermatologists examined the volunteers’ arms after exposure to the tentacles, not knowing which arm had been coated with the inhibitor cream and which had sunscreen alone.

Among the 12 volunteers exposed to the Monterey Bay nettles, they found no visible changes in the arms treated with the sting inhibitor, though two participants did report mild discomfort. Of the arms smeared with sunscreen only, all 12 showed swelling and the volunteers reported discomfort, the researchers reported.

As for the group exposed to the more dangerous box jellyfish, three of the 12 treated with the sting inhibitor reported discomfort, compared with 10 in the untreated group. Only one inhibitor-treated arm had visible signs of a sting, compared to nine of those coated with sunscreen only.

"This certainly suggests the cream is going to help," said Kimball, who is director of clinical trials in dermatology. "Even if it doesn’t offer 100-percent protection, I would rather have some protection over none."

The ingredients of the cream are proprietary, but Kimball said she believes the inhibitor works in several ways. For one, it naturally repels water, making it difficult for the jellyfish to make contact with the skin, she said. It also contains a mixture of sugar and protein that is similar to a substance found in the jellyfish bell. Jellyfish use their bells as a recognition system, so that when the creature comes into contact with the substance, it thinks it’s found itself instead of some tempting human flesh. Finally, the cream is believed to disrupt the jellyfish’s communication system so that it doesn’t get the signal to release its venom, she said.

Kimball said the study doesn’t settle the question of whether the cream works in open water, though anecdotal evidence suggests it might.

Paul Auerbach, MD, former chief of emergency medicine at Stanford and one of the researchers, said he initially tried the cream about five years ago by smearing some on half of his neck and then jumping into the Mexican ocean awash in thimble jellyfish.

"The side I painted had two little red bumps on it, and the side I didn’t paint looked like a road map of Florida. That’s what convinced me we should do the studies," said Auerbach, now a member of the adjunct clinical faculty. Auerbach became a consultant to the company, Nidaria Technology, which makes the cream, marketed as SafeSea.

The study also doesn’t indicate how long the cream might remain effective during water activities. Auerbach recommends reapplication every 45 to 60 minutes in relatively calm waters or, in heavy surf, every 30 to 45 minutes.

Other collaborators on the study are Karina Zuelma Arambula, Michael Liu, MD, and Wingfield Ellis Rehmus, MD, MPH, of Stanford; Arlen Ray Stauffer, MD, Valey Levy, MD and Valerie Weaver Davis, MD of the Bert Fish Medical Center; and Amit Lotan of Nidaria Technology in Israel.


The research was funded in part by a grant from Nidaria Technology.
Posted By: SlimJim

Re: Safe Sea - 09/21/04 04:08 AM

Anyone know if this "pica pica" is the same thing as "sea lice" that one can experience in the Florida Keys?

Thanks for the info, Seashell.
Posted By: DrewLori

Re: Safe Sea - 09/21/04 05:18 AM

Great article Seashell. Thanks. ~Lori
Posted By: seashell

Re: Safe Sea - 09/21/04 07:31 AM

SlimJim, pica pica is the same thing as that, one can experience in the Florida Keys. Many people still, incorrectly, refer to the thimble jellyfish larvae that cause the itch, as "sea lice". However, sea lice are actually small parasites that affect fish.

(also thanks Lori)
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