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Posted By: Marty

Fogger up north twice a week - 08/11/05 08:09 PM

Patricia Verde, Administrator for San Pedro Town Council,
announced just before noon, Thursday, 11 August 2005, that,
weather and road conditions allowing,
the San Pedro Town fogger will make trips north of Boca del Rio
twice a week, on Wednesdays and Fridays.


The first spray is expected Friday, 12 August.


At this time the SPTC will be using their big sprayer
as the two smaller fogging machines are still in the Corozal machine shop.


This generous action is greatly appreciated!!
and not only by residents and visitors to
the North Ambergris Caye area,
but by all the construction and resort employees
who work north of the river.


!!Thank You!!
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/11/05 10:45 PM

poison
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 03:34 AM

That's right! Dengue is so much better for you!
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 03:37 AM

Sorry Barbara but you don't live with the mosquitoes when they're bad. I'll take a little bit of poison every now and then.

I must have had over 100 bites yesterday while I was working in the blazing sun building dog houses. They sprayed just after dark and again at 4am and it was much better today.
Posted By: LaurieMar

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 06:37 AM

When I was there last August, I noticed lots of mosquitos, but not so much at all, on trips in May and November. Is this typical for this time of year or is it just a random thing?

I live outside of Sacramento, CA and they have spraying by planes the last few nights at dusk by planes (first time ever). 26 people have contacted West Nile Virus. I think I would rather have the spraying than the disease.
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 01:50 PM

Whenever we have rain the mosquitoes come out and do their nasty things. Rain's a bit of a mixed blessing as it keeps the dust down, cools things off and fills the cisterns but it does supply the water the critters need to multiply.
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 05:50 PM

don't you think the poison causes its own diseases (cancers)? They spray here in El Paso too.... for the 13 mosquitos we have each year! I am against it here too. Dengue and West Nile can be effectively treated/cured with homeopathy, much easier than cancer. Blah blah blah
Posted By: Amanda Syme

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 06:02 PM

One can die from dengue and malaria.

I had dengue once, I wanted to die. It was extremely painful. My child had it too - I thought she was going to die.

There are many studies regarding the effects of the poisons utitized here to spray the mosquitoes. We use a mild dose of malathion. It is definitely the lesser of the 2 evils. If we have a major outbreak of mosquito borne diseases we will lose our livelihoods. Toursists won't come to visit and even if the do, we'll be too sick to welcome them.

LaurieMar, we get mozzies when we have rain puddles. So in the dry season there is nowhere for them to breed, but as soon as the rains come we are inundated.

Belize is undertaking an aerial spraying program to attempt to avoid major outbreaks of disease - I plan to begin lobbying for a full course of aerial spayings for the island.

The last time we did an aerial spraying (right after I recovered from the dengue fever) a series of 3 sprays during specific timings of the mosquitoes life cycle, we did not have a major mosquito problem for many years.

The last time we sprayed was 1998.

The department of health as well as the departments for the environment, fisheries, forestry etc. etc. need to be consulted, but I believe there won't be any objections this year because we have had over 100 confirmed cases of dengue on the mainland already this year.

As with most projects the local businesses and private citizens will need to donate financially to the project if it is to be sucessful.

I'll be on the case just as soon as I get the kids back in school.
Posted By: Denny Shane

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 06:34 PM

Barbara, isn't the mosquito the Texas State Bird? eek
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 07:33 PM

Barbara's from sandy El Paso. The Texas state bird mostly roams the eastern half of the state.
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 07:37 PM

Not on this side desert of the state! wink

I know dengue and malaria are very serious diseases. I am not belittleing that fact at all. Just suggesting you should look into some alternative methods of control /prevention. There was a great article in Homeopathy Today recently about malaria and natural & homeopathic remedies for cure and prevention - written by a homeopath in Africa which has the highest occurences of the disese. I will try to post a link if I can. Spraying poison to keep the tourists and expats happy seems like a pretty poor compromise to health for me. (But I know I have extreme views about healthcare) I know the traditional Belizean healers have much safer ways of dealing with and preventing the diseases. Takes more effort and the pharmacuetical companies don't profit by it so the info gets dissapated but it's available if you care to seek it out.
Posted By: GAY AND DAVID

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 07:52 PM

why should i feel guilty as a dumb tourist jumping in the sea at the reef coated with sun screen?
the spray will be blown in, washed in etc.
can any of you locals notice any side effects after the spraying, such as dead birds or lizards?
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 07:56 PM

I can't post the link to the actual article (June 2005 issue) - have to be a member/subscriber of the magazine to access it on line. But you can get started at www.homeopathic.org and the Africa writer is the director at www.abhalight.org Good stuff - not just for tropical disease but for LIFE!

The article focusses on a descent down the full length of the Blue Nile River (and "how homeopathy helped save this landmark expedition") More info can be found at www.explorationspecialists.com or www.nilefim.com Fascinating read! And becoming an IMAX film soon too!
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 08:18 PM

You know what, tell the homeopathic story to the people who live in San Juan and San Pedrito and DFC. Those are the ones who are most affected and likely to contract a disease and the ones least likely to be able to afford or be educated about homeopathic remedies (which, by the way, do NOTHING to prevent the disease). It's not the ex-pats and tourists that suffer it's the Belizeans!

Millions die throughout the world each year from malaria and millions are spent on research to find a vaccine. If homeopathy actually worked there wouldn't be a need to look for a vaccine in the first place. I believe that yes there are some valid uses for homeopathy but most of it is just bunk and no more valid than the junk that is hawked on late night TV. If you can't back up your claim with valid controlled studies then it's worth nothing.

Most of these so-called cures are nothing more than an attempt to take money from those who are the most desperate and least educated. Hmm, almost sounds like organized religion.

And that folks is my rant of the day!
Posted By: Or

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 08:48 PM

There is no such thing as SAFE POISON guys. and Barbara is right malaria can be helped and cured with homeopathy, i am proof of that. Not only do i treat others but i was treated two years ago after coming back from Belize. and i am alive to tell about it. But cancer is another story, it is a deadly and slow process.

Simon, i know you know much, and i respect you. But where do you gett off calling Homeopathy BUNK. when was the last time you studied homepathy. I am a DHom and certified homeopath who have treating people for a while now. i would not be able to help people if it was bunk.

Yes, i just got back from SP and it's the worst i have seen of mosquitos ever...........and something needs to be done, but just throwing poison around for everyone to breath is not the solution.
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 09:04 PM

Thanks Orly - I was hoping you were out there reading this somewhere. Simon, don't knock homoepathy till you have seen it's work in action. I am a certified homeopath too. It garnered much of it's popularity during the past in treating and CURING various plagues and epidemics. The whole notion of vaccines is based on homeopathic principles. It has only been more readily and vehemently squashed since the AMA came into being since it is not a profit maker for doctors and chemical companies since it is CURATIVE not palliative (meaning cures the symptoms not the disease) and is very low cost. If more people knew about it and used it, it would be a beautiful thing for Belize especially since it is so low cost and effective. Spraying poison is not the answer. I am pretty sure the Belizeans were not spraying before tourism required it. Ask some old San Pedranos how many times the fogger came by before all the hotels were built.
Posted By: SP Daily

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 09:49 PM

Amazing how so many Norteamericanos want to manage our lives for us! Then if you go to their towns you'd find all kinds of problems that need attention. Guess they're just smarter than we are.
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 10:14 PM

Show me clinical studies and not anecdotal evidence and I will become a believer. You will also have to show me the evidence that homeopathy can PREVENT Malaria as has been stated above.
Posted By: Or

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 10:14 PM

Jesse, no one wants to run your life......... we are people who happen to care for other people. i am not even a Norteamericano, i am from Israel and i happen to live part of the year in Belize and part of the year in San Antonio. I love Belize and consider it my home. And if you happen to take a bite of a fuit that i know for a fact is poisonous what kind of person would i be if i did not tell you so, no matter how hungry you were.
Posted By: Or

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 10:21 PM

NO, one said that Malaria can be prevented and if so stated i am not aware of such studies or remedies. But homeopathy can cure. There is some great work being done with it in Africa and i have been trying to bring those same people to do the same in Belize.......... and so far it's been only on my shoulders and i am only one person. want to help?
Posted By: SP Daily

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 10:39 PM

You might try giving your expert advice to WHO- the World Health Organization of the United Nations. They are the primary advisors to the Ministry of Health here in Belize, the agency that directs all vector control and prevention.
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 10:57 PM

"There was a great article in Homeopathy Today recently about malaria and natural & homeopathic remedies for cure and prevention"
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 11:01 PM

Prevention is always cheaper than the cure in the long run.

By the time you factor in medical care, medicines (homeopathic or otherwise), lost productivity and lost wages Dengue or Malaria can be a devastating disease to a person of low income.

A walk in New York City will expose you to thousands more toxins than a quick spray of malathion.
Posted By: Or

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 11:23 PM

Yes Simon, it can be devastating to a person with low wages, but so can cancer.

and yes prevetion is much cheaper, .......... prevetion is a big debate in homeopaty, since homeopaths feel that one does not know who is more susceptible (and don't tell me we all are because we are not all susceptible, otherweise every person who gets bitten would get sick.)

Simon, you read Homeopathy Today? my hat off to you. i will come see you at Gym in Sept. and bring you CHINA a homopathic remedy for Malaria..........or maybe i should give it to you over rum....

Just a little toxin in the air, just a little toxin in our food(crops), just a little toxin in the food coloring and perservatives in our food, just a little toxin with hormones in our meat, just a little chlorine in our water, just a little toxin in the off spray, where does it all end?
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/12/05 11:36 PM

I guess I should have said prophylactic not preventative. Here's a quote from the Homeopathy Today article... "Neem (azadrachta indica): This substance, from the neem tree, has long been famous as a prophylactic against malaria and as a cure for chronic states. We give neem, either in tincture form or 2x potency, five drops daily for three weeks. In my experience, this can provide protection for up to six months, or it can eradicate a chronic state. I haven't found it as effective in active cases. If you don't have the tincture (available from Abha Light, if you're passing through Kenya), ingesting 3 to 5 leaves a day for 3 weeks as a tea or otherwise will do the trick." Quoted from Homeopathy Today June 2005 page 28 in an article by Didi Ananda Ruchira, DIHom. She is the director of Abalight.org Health Center in Kenya. Neem is a tree that grows in Belize as well. I just planted 3 of them on my land in Cayo. There are other recommendations as well in the article. Why don't you try looking into it before you condemn it. Education is a precious thing. I feel extremely lucky I was enlightned about homeopathy and chose to futher my studies with it. I try to open others eyes to it as well. I don't claim to be smarter than anyone - just trying to help protect people's lives and health without poisonous chemicals which in the long run prove to do more damage than good. There are alternatives out there that have been around for centuries before Monsanto came along.
Posted By: Amanda Syme

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 12:06 AM

When we have sprayed in the past the mosquitoes and house flys died. The fish, birds and lizards were all still alive.
Posted By: Or

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 12:59 AM

So you are saying, what you can't see won't hurt you?
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 01:05 AM

If you've got a cure for Malaria I'll pass it on to my ex and see what it does for her. She got it here in 2000 and is still suffering recurrences.

It still stands, you're more likely to get cancer walking around any city in North America than we are to get it from a few hits of malathion.

Anyone can come out and say that they have the cure for a disease and there are people that will buy into it. These cures should have to stand up to the same standards as any other drug. As I said, I do believe that there are natural treatments for diseases "I believe that yes there are some valid uses for homeopathy" but if you can't show valid clinical evidence then how can you possibly back up the claims.

Echinacea is one of the biggest scams of all, used by thousands to cure what will be gone in 3 days anyway. Used as a preventative for something you probably weren't going to get anyway. I've watched people around me swear by it but when it comes down to it they do no better than I ever do when it comes to the common cold.

To top it off a total lack of quality control:

http://www.consumerlab.com/results/echinacea.asp
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 01:47 AM

There is tons of clinical evidence and provings. You just have to read the journals. I will copy and send you the whole article. Maybe something in it will help your wife. Has she ever tried homeopathy? I am too spent to tackle the echinacea issue with you! Obviously you subscribe to the so called "proven" allopathic medicine regimes. Hope it works for you and your side effects don't kill ya!
Posted By: LaurieMar

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 02:23 AM

I think there are good arguments for and against spraying and everybody is surely entitled to their opinion. What we have going on here in No. Calif is close to an epidemic. They are aerial spraying thousands of acres. Although it is a different disease than found in tropical climates, it is very serious.

Last night on the news a woman was interviewed. She was devastated as both of her dogs died after the spraying - within 10 minutes of each other. It is so sad. However, people were warned to keep their pets in. The public have also been advised to spray down all outdoor furniture and playground equipment when it is over. So, I think that in itself says it is not entirely safe.

Personally, I have mixed feelings about spraying. Some people have said they are not feeling well. I hope there are no human health consequences as a result. I suppose it is the necessary of two evils.
Posted By: armandogonzalez

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 02:24 AM

thanks jesse
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 02:43 AM

Now we're havin' fun! wink
Posted By: LaurieMar

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 02:53 AM

Jesse: Don't think anybody is trying to manage anybody else's life - I have a hard enough time with my own sometimes! And you are right: there are enough problems (and then some) in each of our own hometowns. This is just a topic that hits home hard at this particular time since they are doing it in my community.

BTW, I understand that standing water/rain is prime breeding grounds to create a mosquito problem. We haven't had ANY rain here for several months. Perhaps it is because we have two big rivers running through the city. Don't know, but it is bad here.
Posted By: SP Daily

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/13/05 03:00 AM

Where are you? This is very confusing! We were talking about Ambergris Caye, Belize.
Posted By: LaurieMar

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/15/05 04:52 AM

Now I am confused. Am I the "confusing" culprit? My comments were point blank. I'm in my hometown in No. Calif, so obviously I am not there (but wish I was!). Spraying/fogging is happening because of mosquitos which may be carrying deadly diseases.

Regardless of where one is geographically, it is a problem in many other parts of the world and information I felt was relevant and newsworthy, unlike your comment. Unless it is offensive, slanderous, etc., policing someone else's comments is just wrong.
Posted By: [email protected]

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 01:22 AM

Has anyone researched what is in the fogger....my experience from Mexico is that it is mostly fuel oil (Diesel Fuel)....I can't see a big problem if thats what they are fogging with
....it runs them off, does really kill them....the best way to really control (kill)them is to spray the water.....fogging does not kill them.....
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 02:02 AM

Malathion.
Posted By: seabreezevilla

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 04:13 PM

Let's bring back DDT!!
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 04:28 PM

It never left here. I don't know about today but 3 or 4 years ago it was pretty easy to come by.
Posted By: Barbara K

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 07:07 PM

how about agent orange? wink
Posted By: BDinAZ

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 09:00 PM

We just got back this weekend from SP and wifey got chewed up pretty good, plus she had a ton of mosquito bites.
We took down the "All Day" natural stuff that worked last year in Mexico but it wasn't as effective this year if we forgot to apply it every couple hours.
It may have lost some potency from sitting in a closet for a year.
Or it could have been the more Belikin consumption altering our ability to spray.
In any case the critters were very hungry and it almost made us non-deet folks want to try a couple intervenous bags of Deep Woods Off.
Anyway, the scabs on her legs are providing great memories of a wonderful trip.
Posted By: Gwennan

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 09:03 PM

Glad you had a great time despite the mosquitoes! I'm sure the Belikins helped you cope! wink
Posted By: BDinAZ

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 09:44 PM

The natural repellant. Deet? We don't need no deet! [Linked Image] laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
Posted By: Gwennan

Re: Fogger up north twice a week - 08/16/05 10:34 PM

that's good! do you have any more pictures for us????? smile
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