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Posted By: PJBELIZE

swimming safety - 09/17/11 06:42 PM

I'm sorry to hear about this accident but I'm not surprised . There needs to be markers for boat traffic and more areas for locals and tourist to swim in safety.People swim at the cut at the bridge in San Pedro ,with all the boat traffic coming in and going out ,it's an accident waiting to happen , very dangerous ! It's the only water deep enough to swim in from a beach . Town council should take the beach block in front of the school ,detour traffic off the beach ,put bouys out across from the end of the piers north to south and dredge out the one block for a public beach. It would be a huge success !
Posted By: SimonB

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by PJBELIZE
...put bouys out across from the end of the piers north to south... It would be a huge success !


Unfortunately it has been tried and was a huge failure. Some remnants of the buoys are now a hazard to navigation, I chewed a prop up on one...
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 06:51 PM

Simon
Where was that done , I'm thinking a beach area near town , not by the bridge
Posted By: SimonB

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 06:58 PM

From Victoria House up to Costa Maya if I remember correctly.
Posted By: elbert

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 07:15 PM

We can't customize the beach fronts to accommodate tourists who disregard any commonsense.
The US Embassy Warden keeps body bags in stock for American Citizens. I don't believe any other embassies have a stock of bodybags on the island.The US warden is Tom Vidrine, if my contact info isn't out of date, 226-3245 or 600-2262 [email protected]
Probably that's not a fair statement about Americans on holiday!...or maybe it is.


Posted By: SP Daily

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 07:23 PM

Yer way out of date Elbert...Tom Vidrene left long ago....
Posted By: elbert

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 07:35 PM

I got a lot of stuff way out of date, who is it now?
The US Embassy sign is still up at the gate of the Boatyard.
Posted By: SP Daily

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 07:50 PM

Yer it! You missed the meeting so were appointed....
Posted By: SeeShell

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 07:56 PM

I have mostly visited AC during high season and often see people snorkeling (tourists) off the docks by Ramons or Casa Verde and they go way far out from the docks - and I have often thought about how dangerous that is and I tried yelling at a couple once and I think they thought I was crazy. Maybe because its low season and there are not as many boats out - or maybe they did not realize how far from the beach/dock they were - its a terrible and tragic story.
Posted By: Bear

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by elbert
We can't customize the beach fronts to accommodate tourists who disregard any commonsense.


on docks longer that 100 feet the best we may be able to do is put signs up and "advise" that beyond the end of the dock you're swimming in a freeway...you may be towing a float and dive flag but youre towing that float and flag in a freeway nonetheless...

I'm still waiting to see the investigation report before i'll climb on any bandwagon.
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 11:39 PM

Not customizing the beach fronts ,I'm talking about one block in front of the school ,I assume it's town counsel land because of the school ,demarked with swimming bouys for the public use , not for private gain . The town needs a swimming area with water deep enough ,5 to 6 feet of water . You must see the need for that , why else would folks jump off the concrete bulkhead at Boca del Rio to swim in the channel and have to dodge the boat traffic ?
Posted By: chunkyruth

Re: swimming safety - 09/17/11 11:57 PM

I have to say that along with Lara, I also have had many a discussion with tourists who feel the need to swim or snorkel way beyond the docks, sometimes even out in the boat lane. I have actually been asked, "Don't swimmers have right of way over the boats?"

I have nervously watched many folks swim way out further than they should, hoping and praying that they make it back safely. I have seen where boats barely miss them and actually turn around and warn them that they are playing with fire.

For some reason folks think they are invincible on vacation.

I should add that I certainly don't know the specifics of this accident. I am just stating that tourists swimming way too far out from the docks is a very common problem.

Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 01:12 AM

I agree some people are stupid , but we are missing the point .Tourist and locals swim out to get to a depth in the water that they can cool off , a depth of 5 to 6 feet. I'm suggesting a one block beach access where it would be safe for people could TO GO SWIMMING .That's all .Mark it off , dredge it out to a depth that folks don't have to go 300 yards out to get to water deep enough to cool off . The block in front of the school would be great for family and friends to meet and swim in safety with out boats buzzing in and out of that area . That's all .
Posted By: Bear

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:34 AM

I know its a bit off topic but if one were to dredge out an area on the reef side beach wouldn't it simply fill back fairly quickly and while its in the process of filling itself back in wouldnt the change in shore currents create erosion problems for the beaches and areas to the south?...from what little i've learned it seems the beaches on the reef side of the island don't seem to take too kindly to sudden unnatural conture and depth changes.
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:42 AM

Bear
you could be right about dredging but I'm talking about one block and I'm not talking about any major depth just enough for a swimming experience in a controlled area . A swimming area is sorely needed in this area , and from what I see this area at the School would be a great asset to the town . The kids could gather there after school and families on the weekends .
Posted By: catfish

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:56 AM

Hey, I have an idea. Dig a hole, line it with concrete and fill with fresh filtered water. No boats allowed. Or------take a swim in the sea and stick to the dock areas or go out on a chartered snorkeling adventure. This is not the only place in the world where there are areas that swimmers need to avoid due to boat traffic. Education is the key.
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 03:05 AM

So much for my bright ideas . Just thought something should be said about what seems to be an obvious need here in my home town .Kids swimming in the cut at the bridge BECAUSE it's the only water DEEP enough for them to cool off . Stop by sometime and watch the boats dodging the kids .
Posted By: Bear

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by PJBELIZE
So much for my bright ideas . Just thought something should be said about what seems to be an obvious need here in my home town .Kids swimming in the cut at the bridge BECAUSE it's the only water DEEP enough for them to cool off . Stop by sometime and watch the boats dodging the kids .


I thought you stated your case quite well PJ
Posted By: Tracker

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by PJBELIZE
So much for my bright ideas . Just thought something should be said about what seems to be an obvious need here in my home town .Kids swimming in the cut at the bridge BECAUSE it's the only water DEEP enough for them to cool off . Stop by sometime and watch the boats dodging the kids .


It's not a bad idea, but it has been tried before. A few years ago they tried to make a swimming area by the central park, next to cement dock, they worked for several weeks clearing the area and it only took a short while to fill in again.

I have seen visitors swimming way out into the boat lanes, I feel that all hotels and resorts should make all their guests know that swimming out past the ends of the dock is a no no. and signs should be placed on every dock warning of the dangers of swimming out too far. Visitors do not know about the boat traffic, and it is so tempting to go off for a swim in what seems to be shallow water.
Posted By: SimonB

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 03:54 AM

The town dreded a large area by the High School for family swimming. It's in use all week long and crowded on weekends. As far as the cut goes people choose to go there even when there are other places available...
Posted By: TravelinMan1

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:12 PM

I agree that something should be done but I am not sure what. Just because we half ass tried something 5 years ago it should not mean that we don't try again. If we took that frame of mind nothing would ever get done here.

Elbert not sure what you post was suppose to mean but since about 90% of all visitors to the Island are Americans it would stand to reason that 90% of all accidents will happen to them. Besides what does that have to do with having a designated swim area.

This town and the residents on this message board need to stop criticizing the visitors to this island and we need to ensure that the proper information is being provided to them. This will allow them to have a safe and enjoyable experience here, that will in turn make them tell other people about what a great destination this is.

The I told you so mentality is the worst thing that could happen. Stand up say something and if nobody listens then speak louder and get other people to speak up with you.

Not sure who is guiltier the tourists or the people that knew this would happen and yet did nothing about it other than simply wait for it to happen so that they could post an I told you so on the message board.

Posted By: Ecoman

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:30 PM

Anybody knows how the people are presently doing,
Posted By: bywarren

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 02:53 PM


Before Elbert should question the intelligence of the tourist, after all we donít give them a test and require a license we only require they bring their money, we should take a look in the mirror and question the actions of those licensed boat captains, taxi drivers and other vehicle drivers on the island. I have witnessed boat drivers often speeding too close to proximity of docks and the shore. We all have seen the dangerous speeding of vehicles on the island.
The facts of this incident will come out and until then it is not possible to say who is to blame. But I am afraid that the actions of local people are more of a threat to safety and than the actions of tourists when one looks at the total picture.
If Elbert can be paid to teach tourists how to dive safely, he and others should take the time to advise tourists how to have a safe vacation. I doubt if he questions the intelligence of his customers before he accepts their money.
The first objective should be to assure the tourists are not put in danger due to unsafe practices of those providing the services they come here for. Then part of those services should be to inform the tourist on how to have a safe vacation.
I am not in favor of altering the landscape to provide safety before insuring the behavior of all the people using it are doing so in a safe manner.
Posted By: SnoopysMom

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 03:52 PM

I have witnessed near misses all over the place, from boats barely missing swimmers around the coastal ferry dock, to pedestrians (myself included) having to physically leap out of the way of speeding taxis while on the sidewalk around Tropic Air (seems to be especially bad at night), cyclists rounding curves on the wrong side of the road, unsecured children and even infants bouncing around on the back of golf carts (this really freaks me out!).

IMO, those "Dumb American" tourists have an excuse - they are on vacation. We (all stakeholders) need to do a better job of educating / protecting them from harm...

How to educate / protect those other than tourists? Can you fix stupid?
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 04:00 PM

Simon
Where is this large area dredged in front of the school . I see some people on the weekends standing in knee deep water in front of the school . Is that what you mean dredged ? Tourists and locals will swim or wade out as far as they have to to get to water deep enough to enjoy. That's just the way it is . Only here on the beach side of the island we put,docks and extended piers and boats , and gas stations ,then you wonder WHY people swim out beyond all that to cool off in the water . It's a bad combination .We need to have areas for swimming ONLY ,no boats .Rope it off make it safe for whom ever wants to use it .
Posted By: Lan Sluder/Belize First

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 04:13 PM

In defence of tourists, the fact is that in most places where tourists likely have been before the popular beaches are reserved for swimming and boats are not typically a threat to swimmers or snorkelers.

Take for instance the beaches of Florida or most of the U.S. East Coast or Gulf Coast, or even most beaches in YucatŠn and the Caribbean islands -- boats (except maybe jet skis) don't usually come into popular beaches.

The barrier reef and the water depth and conditions in Belize, and the fact that there really aren't areas designated specifically for swimming beaches, especially off Ambergris and Caulker, make the situation different. Tourists just aren't aware of the differences, nor should they be expected to be aware.

Perhaps it's time the BTB or local governments came up with warning posters and signs that hotels in beach resort areas would post in the hotels and on beaches and docks?

The guidebooks I do and most other guidebooks to Belize warn readers about swimming or snorkeling in boating lanes, but many people don't use guidebooks or if they do don't remember all the details.

Fact is, conditions off San Pedro and boating customs, while not unique in the world, are quite unusual and first-time visitors to the island may not be aware of that.

--Lan Sluder
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 04:41 PM

Lan
Thank you for your comments .Since the docks are here and the boats already travel where they please , area's roped off where it is safe to swim would seem to make sense . In the States and Europe and Australia and most of the Caribbean there are designated areas for swimming , and when people come here there are not areas safe for people to swim at . It is an island and people are going to swim . Snorkeling and diving are different issues . People can be taken out by boat to those destinations , but swimming off the beach in safety IS one thing that San Pedro is in desperate need in addressing . Some markers and roped off areas like lake front areas do in the States would seem like an easy fix. Have a list of designated swimming areas available ,so all could be aware that these have been set aside for everyone's enjoyment .
Posted By: Bear

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 04:58 PM

Although the investigation report of this tragic incident is still forthcoming, I think it's appropriate to enter this excerpt from Ambergris Today for everyone's consideration, I also think its important to recognise that visitors to the island and people not used to living and working on the water do not see the waters of the inner reef for the roads or freeways they are.

"A honeymoon vacation for a couple of tourists in San Pedro ends abruptly in a horrific accident at sea that has left one man without his lower right leg and a woman suffering from lacerations to her wrist after a water taxi runs them over while they enjoyed an afternoon of snorkeling, on Friday, September 16, 2011.

It was the San Pedro Belize Express Water Taxiís mid-day run from Caye Caulker to San Pedro that was involved in this horrific accident that occurred just a couple of miles from the water taxiís terminal in downtown San Pedro. A passenger aboard the San Pedro Belize Express Water Taxi told Ambergris Today that the passengers and crew members were terrified to learn that the vessel had just run over a couple of people just after feeling and hearing a loud thump on the boat. The 38-foot, three outboard motor engine vessel had just run over the couple.

Apparently the captain of the boat was not able to see two tourists who were snorkeling out from shore in the busy and heavily trafficked water lane of San Pedro, Ambergris Caye. This took place in front of Carib Island Resort between 11:45a.m. and 12:15p.m. The water taxi ran over Rob Leonard, 31, and Dana Sniflet, 32, amputating Rob just above the knee of his right leg and injuring Jane on her wrist. Passengers on the boat indicate that the water taxi was not travelling close to the piers and was far from shore, on its usual course.

Contrary to other reports, the Captain of the San Pedro Belize Express vessel immediately circled around to render assistance. This is according to passengers on the water taxi. By the time they had circled around, another vessel of the Caye Caulker Water Taxi had already rendered assistance to the badly injured tourists.

Ambergris Today, September 16, 2011 - 15:09 "



Diane's comment about how she would hate to injure someone should certainly be on our minds as well.



Posted By: Amanda Syme

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:02 PM

Whenever any of us travel to other destinations we don't always know the customs, traditions, the safe areas, the danger zones or what treacherous conditions we may confront. We are forced to do our own research and trust the licensed tour guides, hotels, and laws to protect us.

Here in Belize it is our duty as tourism service providers to keep our visitors as safe and comfortable as possible. Furthermore we must be trained to handle emergency situations calmly and efficiently.

We want (need) tourist dollars, we must keep our tourists safe.

Yes from time to time people do some very dumb things, especially when drinking - but as a community we still need to have some compassion and help out when we can. I told you so and finger pointing does not help in any situation.

Many of our guests have never travelled to a foreign land before, they are overwhelmed and bewildered with the beauty and the freedom and the wildness of the country - and they are blissfully unaware of the dangers - it is our duty to allow them to enjoy the wonders without venturing into serious danger - or at least warn them when they are taking risks so that they can calculate what degree of danger they wish to undertake.

So many people find Belize to be peaceful and they meet friendly, warm hearted people. They are lulled into a false sense of security and serenity - they forget that in every society there are also criminals.

Let's all get proactive in protecting our guests from danger, perhaps without scaring them to the point that they choose not to visit.
Posted By: bywarren

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:06 PM

Swimming areas = swimming pools and snorkel trips to the reef. I wish Belize would stop trying to make it into everything for everybody. The marine system is not conducive to nice beaches and clean sand bottom swimming areas. Keep the turtle grass and marine vegetation intact. Leave the ecosystem to produce and sustain what nature intended it to. Use it for what it is and the beauty it provides. Donít try to change it.
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Posted By: blueyz44

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:15 PM

If you look at alot of the resorts websites, alot of them say "snorkel right from our pier". A little misleading and dangerous if the tourists are not aware that it's a busy boat traffic lane and they really are at risk. Might not want to call the tourists stupid or reckless when they may have just been following what was advertised.
Posted By: Lan Sluder/Belize First

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:20 PM

Yeah, bywarren, maybe the BTB can run ads in the U.S., Canada and Europe that say "No Swimming Off Beaches in Belize" and "Our Belize Beaches Are NOT for Swimming or Snorkeling" and "Be Advised That There No Good Swimming Beaches in Belize" and "Tourists Should Stay Where They Belong -- in Swimming Pools."

That should really bring in the visitors and revitalize Belize's # 1 industry.

--Lan Sluder
Posted By: bywarren

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:29 PM

No, Lan: that would be too close to truth in advertising. grin
Posted By: t42

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:37 PM

I think boats should be required to have spotters on them to help avoid this tragic mishap and marine life like manatees.
Posted By: Phil

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by bywarren
Swimming areas = swimming pools and snorkel trips to the reef. I wish Belize would stop trying to make it into everything for everybody. The marine system is not conducive to nice beaches and clean sand bottom swimming areas. Keep the turtle grass and marine vegetation intact. Leave the ecosystem to produce and sustain what nature intended it to. Use it for what it is and the beauty it provides. Donít try to change it.
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^Agree with Bywarren - we are what we are, so play to our strengths.

To avoid this tradgedy happening again move the boat lanes to halfway between the reef and shore when on the plane, off plane when coming into destination dock perpendicular to shore. Advise Tourists thay can swim out as far as double the distance of the nearest dock. They get swimmable snorkel depth water in safety. Boats are far away have minimal if any added cost apart from a few minutes extra journey as they come inshore off plane. Margin of error for both groups won't bring them into contact. No bouys maintenance etc and as we have CoastGuard here now easily enfoced on a daily basis even from shore.

Trickier North of Belizean Shores due to patch reef and shore reef convergence but these things seem to happen more in town where there is the concentration of boats. Also perhaps the case Water Taxi/Ferry (I mean Coastal Xpress not Bz City Water Taxis) with multiple Dock stops but surely this can still be acomplished to preserve our reputation.
Posted By: PJBELIZE

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 06:03 PM

Lan
In New Jersey along the shore the locals call the day trippers to the beach ( shobbies ) because they would come down for the day with their lunches in a shoe box . Come labor day locals sick of the tourists would put up signs like ( GO HOME SHOBBIES ).Having a business there for 30 years I would say something to the folks putting up the signs , and you can imagine the intellect remarks I would hear . Some folks just don't understand ,you can't bite the hand that feeds you ! bywarren is right ,there are no good swimming beaches on this island . Don't you all think we should have at least one on the island .I'm not talking about removing the sea grass from the whole island but one block (200 yards) here and a few miles down ,maybe another . It is a negative for the tourist trade that there are NO good beaches to swim off of .Oh and if you do swim off a beach you could get run over by a boat or two . There's a lot of competition for the tourist dollar , let's help create positive comments for the island .
Posted By: JZB

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 06:18 PM

Banyan Bay and Ramons Village both have swimming beaches but the fact is visitors want to walk out of their room, down to the water and jump in. Thats the perk of renting a beachfront hotel room, you don't have to go in search of a place to swim.

What is needed is education. For our visitors and for our boat captains. We need to tell our visitors how dangerous it can be out in the open water and we need to tell our boat captains that there will be people swimming out there and they need to keep an eye out and travel a farther distance from shore. (many boats seem to travel on auto pilot) It is unproductive to point fingers in an accident such as this, we need to learn from the mistakes made and do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen again. Dive flags, buoys, signage, visitor briefings at check in or a combination.
I personally dislike the idea of telling visitors you CANT do this or you CANT do that, this isn't the US and we don't have those kinds of enforcable laws/rules. Educate them, make sure they understand the consequences of their actions and they will make the right decision.
Posted By: Bear

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by JZB
What is needed is education...It is unproductive to point fingers in an accident such as this, we need to learn from the mistakes made and do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen again...make sure they understand the consequences of their actions and they will (author edit) "hopefully" make the right decision.


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Posted By: Diane Campbell

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bear
Originally Posted by JZB
What is needed is education...It is unproductive to point fingers in an accident such as this, we need to learn from the mistakes made and do what we can to ensure it doesn't happen again...make sure they understand the consequences of their actions and they will (author edit) "hopefully" make the right decision.


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Posted By: Capt. Hollywood

Re: swimming safety - 09/18/11 10:02 PM

I have lived in Belize City for 5 years and moved to the Island about 7 months ago. I have been on weekend trips to the island in the past several times.

Despite my name I do not hold a Captains licence. I was unaware of any boating lanes or where they begin or end etc. As an average person I can see the confusion. The whole beach area is dotted with dive and snorkel shops and San Pedro is touted as a divers paradise, so walking along the beach you get the impression that snokeling is everywhere.

Nowhere are there any indications of danger swimming past the docks.

I have worked at Club Med and Decameron Resorts for several years and we always had an orientation session for new guests. This is usually a half hour session where guests could ask questions and we would go over safety rules, facilities and is where you could sell a tour or two.

The Majority of our guests attended these sessions because they want information.


Obviously, you would think common sense would prevail, but I have found working at large all inclusive resorts that most people are in a different "frame of mind" when vacationing. They are a lot more carefree and sometimes like a babe in the woods.

We as business owners and residents need to remind visitors of the beauty as well as the dangers of the Island. Don't go swimming in the lagoons, there are Crocs. Don't go past the piers, boat traffic etc.

Signs on the docks would help, as long as they are informative.

No swimming past dock, will mostly be ignored,
"No swimming past dock, serious injury or death from boat traffic & propellers may occur"is far more effective and is not detrimental or will scare off tourists

Talking to people and explaining one on one is, in my lengthly experience is definately the best. Most people know that there are risks , and understand why there are rules and that they are for THIER safety.

A few years back some US students came to one of our resorts in Santa Marta Colombia. Despite several strong warnings from the Hotel and locals the students took a trip into the bush and were kidnapped by Guerilla forces. (You may remember this story back in the nineties.)

NO, not everyone will listen, but forewarned is forearmed and those that choose to break the rules do so at thier own risk,

I think that every hotel registered with the BTB should be reqiured to inform guests of the danger of swimming in the lagoons or past the docks and why, and where the boat lanes are.


It is not a perfect solution, but we have done our due dilligence and it's a step in the right direction.


Posted By: Phil

Re: swimming safety - 09/19/11 03:22 AM

Why should our Tourists be penalised and unable to swim in the sea. Almost all of the water up to the end of a dock is too shallow to swim. Why dig out areas when we already have naturally deeper areas. Move the boats further out. A lot further out to give more swimming room..... and I am a Captain.

Posted By: chunkyruth

Re: swimming safety - 09/19/11 03:41 AM

I truly apologize if I came off as "I told you so." This is just an issue that I have worried about for a long time. We have always told all our guests at Coral Bay to swim and snorkel shoreside of the docks. I am looking into some diver down bouys right now. Truly hope that the honeymoon couple can overcome this tragedy.
Posted By: Capt. Hollywood

Re: swimming safety - 09/19/11 05:48 AM

Then have all the water taxis come in on the Lagoon side same as water jets international. Problem solved.
Posted By: bywarren

Re: swimming safety - 09/19/11 02:33 PM

You are assuming it is only the water taxis that are a problem.
Problem not solved.

Phil: great common sense response. Changing human behavior should be the first consideration before changing anything else. Boat captains acting responsibly like adhering to a no wake limit when in proximity to land whould go a long way to making it safer. Of course I find that to be easier said than done, example is the no wake zone in Boca del Rio that almost no one adheres to. Having said that, if the people providing services to the tourists cannot do so in a safe manner, then it does not speak well for the future of tourism.
The "bad apple" principle comes to mind. If you have some bad apples, changing to basket won't solve the problem.
Posted By: Capt. Hollywood

Re: swimming safety - 09/19/11 06:32 PM

There is no quick easy solution...Boat Captains have the first point of responsibility. Just like car drivers have to slow down and watch for children around a school zone, the same principals should apply around the cayes.

But you are right bywarren at the theater we always see boats speeding through the cut. Often people are fishing and kids are swimming in the cut and boats pass at higher than safe speeds.

I realize that water taxis are not the only problem,but they are commercial traffic and between them make close to two dozen back and forth passes daily.
Posted By: Diane Campbell

Re: swimming safety - 09/20/11 01:34 PM

There is a specific issue with the commercial scheduled-run water taxis - they are bigger (and frequently faster) than most of the other boats running up and down the coast. It is harder to see things close up to a large boat, and when you are going fast you come up on things with less time to correct your course. . Ergo - this kind of boat needs to cut a wider berth from others and stay in a more predictable "shipping lane".

The river by the park is a disaster waiting to happen for sure. Lots of kids are swimming there, and some of them find it really fun to swim under the water across the river. Even going slowly in a boat it is scary - kids come towards the boat yelling "give me a ride, give mea ride". This absolutely should not happen. WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS AND WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ?
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