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Posted By: Thetruebelize

Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 03:14 PM

Need advice...one of my neighbors has dogs that they totally neglect....chained up on extremely short chains 24/7, scarce food, no water unless I provide it, surrounded by their own feces, covered by ticks/flies/fleas etc. I do what I can for them so they don't suffer so much but I feel so helpless in this situation. I bugged SAGA till they came out and gave the people a warning but things changed for one day and then they were back to the same neglect stating that they are too busy. I called SAGA yesterday and supposedly they will come out again but I'm not too hopeful.
Now before I get lectured that this is the culture and that not every animal can be saved let me say that I understand that. Everyday I pass starving neglected dogs on the streets of San Pedro and I know I can't save them all but it's very difficult to deal with this cruelty and neglect when it's right in your own backyard.
Any advice?
Posted By: collyk

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 03:35 PM

Good morning Thetruebelize. It's wonderful that you are caring enough to try to help with these dogs. Please keep doing what you can to help but continue to work with SAGA. It may take time and patience, but they are a non profit and really stretched for time, volunteers and resources. Just keep working with them, communicate closely with them and follow up.
Posted By: Thetruebelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 03:51 PM

Thanks Collyn for the encouragement. I will definitely continue helping those pups since I can't stand watching the suffering. I just can't help but feel like I'm becoming a pest to SAGA. I mean how many times can I call before they get sick of it? I guess am just feeling frustrated and helpless. I am going to start volunteering at SAGA starting this weekend but thats with dog walking etc. i don't have the authority to do anything with these pups.

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Posted By: collyk

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 04:23 PM

Thetruebelize. SAGA will never think you are a pest if you are trying to help animals. That's what the organisation is about. Sometimes though, it's difficult for them to keep up with everything because they are just so busy. Be a pest. Hey, if the worst thing that happens is you worry that they think you are a pest but you save the puppies, who cares what anyone thinks. It is frustrating and I understand how you feel, but don't give up. Call SAGA, work with them and definitely enjoy volunteering with them! Great to have caring people in the community.
Posted By: Phil

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 05:00 PM

You probably have now via this medium but in Belize always talk to someone as high in an organisation as possible when trying to get something done. Never assume info flows up the chain.
Posted By: ScubaLdy

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 05:52 PM

Humm - I have to wonder what would happen if, sometime during the dark of night, their chains 'just happened' to break loose? Would the poor things run? Would someone be arrested (or shot)?
Would your hose reach over so you could at least wash the $#!+ away?
How about calling the health Department? Seems like this could be considered a health hazard.
Keep up the good work - the only people you will be a pest to are the insensitive neighbors.
Posted By: robvee

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 07:28 PM

I live next door to these 3 poor creatures, i love all animals, and cant believe anyone would have 3 young dogs that arent pets, are guard dogs and arent feed or watered. I feel like putting them in a cagew and giving them to SAGA to find a true pet lover. By the way the owners are not Bealizean and admit they dont have time to take care of them. True belize is a very good friend and a most caring animal lover. I feel like chaining the owners up for a week with no food ., drink or place to poop and it might just teach them a lesson.
All three have been let off the short chains, they dont wonder off they are just so playful and wanting attention. But getting anything done seems very slow and difficult, unlike USA or UK when the authorities have real powers and can prosecute people who have no right to own ANYTHING on 4 legs. Lets hope people power works
Posted By: doggirl

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 07:49 PM

There is strength in numbers. What if you talked to few more neighbors and confronted these morons. Shame them, offer to adopt these dogs to someone who will care for them seeing they don't have the time. Pool some cash together get them a security alarm if that's their only reason for having dogs. Buy these dogs some food. Offer to get them flea dipped at pampered paws.

If none of that works, chain them up.
Posted By: iluvbelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 07:51 PM

I would visit personally with the Health Department minister or agent in SP and go to SAGA again to see if they may have the authority to remove the animals due to the feces issue as well as the cruelty. Not providing water, shelter and food to chained animals is cruelty.
Posted By: Inplub

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 08:27 PM

Can you not take photo's of the dogs and then name and shame the owner so they will then look after their dogs?
Posted By: JZB

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 08:56 PM

Print out the cruelty to animals act and staple it to their front door. Highlight the last paragraph which states that they can be arrested for animal neglect. Who knows, they might just need to be reminded they are doing something wrong.
Posted By: AriTrejo

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 09:24 PM

Hi Thetruebelize and other concerned citizens, thank you for caring. I am a Saga Board member and I echo CollyK's comments, we are stretched in a lot of directions but you will NEVER be considered a pest by us for continuing to care and for being a passionate advocate for any animal!!

We do the best we can to respond and followup, but honestly as a NFP with limited resources we NEED the community to be our eyes and ears, and sometimes with everything else going on we need to receive a reminder of a situation that is going on/not improving.

Please contact me directly at my personal email [email protected] and I will do the best I can to get the specific info on these animals in distress you have witnessed, Saga does have the authority to remove neglected/abused animals from their owners if the warnings they are given are not heeded, so the follow up is critical and we appreciate the help from all of you to keep on it.

I would like to wholeheartedly recommend making reports to the Health Department and Town Council as well but as sometimes these lead to knee jerk reactions calling for dog eradications, I cannot wholeheartedly endorse it as a solution at this time.

We would be very excited to have any of you concerned citizens come on board to become volunteers and become involved with the response to these situations, please communicate with me and I will let you know more.
Posted By: robvee

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 11:20 PM

Hi Ari. Thx for your openness . Im sure some of us who have time will offer help to SAGA in practical ways. Could i just make one suggestion that any dog owner must register ownership and purchase yearly a dog licence say for $10bz and only owners with licences are allowed to own dogs, and any infringement in pet owning laws allows SAGA to revoke that licence for whatever period of time is deemed fit, this way, everybody is accountable a a small but useful sum of money is collected yearly. This system is used in UK and i think all over USA
Posted By: Inplub

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/13/13 11:55 PM

In recent months there have been calls for a return to the dog licensing regime. Dogs Trust, the UKs largest dog welfare charity, does not believe that a return to the dog license would provide the suggested welfare benefit for dogs.

The dog license was abolished in 1987. At this point the license cost just 37p, however only a small number of dog owners bothered to buy a license. At the time the license was abolished, estimates suggest this was under 50%. The licensing regime was essentially a tax on dog ownership, it did not encourage a more responsible attitude towards dog ownership in the long term, nor did it protect in any way the welfare of dogs in the short term.
Posted By: SnoopysMom

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 12:26 AM

In certain US cities (not sure if it is state or county wide anywhere) impose annual fees per pet owned - this is based upon Vet records (annual vaccinations, etc). SO, the people who actually take responsibility for their pet get hit with additional taxes/ fees, almost like a penalty. Never sat too well with me...

While in Belize, I have been in similar situations as the initial poster and can attest to the heartbreak of watching these poor animals suffer. Intervening or reporting neighbors is a slippery slope with possible retaliation, etc. Please try to be as cautious as possible.
Posted By: Thetruebelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 04:45 AM

Just to answer some questions I, daily,feed them kibble and give them treats because all they get 'sometimes' from the owner is chicken bones (mind you that two of them are puppies), and I take them each on walks. The owner agreed to the walks in front of a SAGA representative. But it still breaks my heart that I have to rechain them to spend all but 20 chained to the porch and its a short term solution. Like Rob said we can't understand why they have these dogs. They are not guard dogs and not pets. So why?
They did slowly and quite reluctantly start cleaning their yard because I told them I will get the health department on them but trust me that's the only reason. They are not doing it because they care about the animals. They just don't want to get in trouble since they have a market in the front. But the cleaning is scarce so no matter what the dogs sit in feces.
I thought about the bath and flea/tick dip and knowing me I will probably end up doing it if SAGA can't help but I do ask myself where does this stop? I don't spending the money, that's not the issue but these people should not be allowed to have these animals or any other if they don't want to take care of them and give them space in the yard to run around. Also FYI from what I hear money is not an issue for them either.


But on another note I do think that SAGA needs our help in many aspects. I'm not just talking money but a rep did email me after reading this post and from our conversation did you know they have no power to fine abusers, have no protection if they want to confiscate an animal and they are threatened with harm, they can't ban abusers from owning animals etc. It sounds like there are many animal lovers here. We need to band together and demand action from the city. Sure resources are scarce but fundraising efforts can continue while the city at minimum should uphold the laws already on the books and provide some enforcement. At minimum fine the abusers.
Posted By: iluvbelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 04:58 AM

Heartbreaking. They are breaking the law with the neglect. And causing a health hazard with the feces. Perhaps someone should notify them of this fact and encourage them to relinquish the dogs to foster care for adoption since these people obviously do not care for them or spend any time or effort with them. Easier said than done, I know, but maybe giving them a 'way out' may help relieve the dogs' horrible lives. Fines won't do anything to change this situation - they just don't consider the animals' well being at all and never will.
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 05:05 AM

"But on another note I do think that SAGA needs our help in many aspects. I'm not just talking money but a rep did email me after reading this post and from our conversation did you know they have no power to fine abusers, have no protection if they want to confiscate an animal and they are threatened with harm, they can't ban abusers from owning animals etc. It sounds like there are many animal lovers here. We need to band together and demand action from the city. Sure resources are scarce but fundraising efforts can continue while the city at minimum should uphold the laws already on the books and provide some enforcement. At minimum fine the abusers."

I didn't want to comment on that as I wasn't sure if the rules of the game had changed over the years but sometimes people don't understand that the volunteers of SAGA run into situations where their physical well being is at serious risk and they have no recourse but to walk away. Yes there are laws on the books but it all depends on who is running the police department whether or not they will get the help and support that they need. The people at SAGA that do the tough hard work day in and day out, and they know who they are, put themselves on the line because no one else will. It's a hard job but it's rewarding and maybe someday the community and town council will actually recognize them for their efforts and hardships.
Posted By: iluvbelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 05:23 AM

I wouldn't suggest a volunteer with SAGA approach or intervene in removing the animals. The OP can certainly report observations to the Health Department officials as well as the police as a service to the community at large as well as the animals's well being. The OP has a dialogue with the neighbors if they are allowing the walking and feeding of the dogs. Perhaps they can work it out that the dogs are relinquished by choice so that they no longer burden their owners with their existence and suffering. The OP has every right to report this matter to appropriate authorities. The Health Dept and Police can't do anything if they are not apprised.
Posted By: Thetruebelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 05:43 AM

What's OP?

And yes it's a shame that SAGA doesn't get the support from the city council. Not sure if they ever will if the people don 't demand it. Almost seems hopeless because if all these departments have to be notified to try to handle the matter unfortunately nothing will be done. Since at every step there are people in these departments that need convincing these animals need help.
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And yes retaliation is a huge concern among many.
Anyway Ari I will call you tomorrow. Before I openef up this can of worms I mentioned to Kathy I wantef to start volunteering just didn't know where to start.
Posted By: iluvbelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/14/13 06:10 AM

Original Poster (you smile
Posted By: SimonB

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/18/13 03:36 PM

Adopting a dog is the way to go, not buying. Go to SAGA and they will help match you with a dog that will fit your personality and needs.
Posted By: govikes

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/18/13 04:01 PM

Atwater, you need a security system, NOT A DOG. Dogs need love and attention daily and you aren't hardly ever home? This topic started with animal neglect, and you will not have a happy dog if it has to spend its time alone. Would be much easier for you to get a burglar alarm!
Posted By: Thetruebelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/18/13 05:07 PM

Awesome Simon and Govikes...can't agree with you more. I always adopt and if I need to do something for a long time I ensure my husband or friend go take take of them. I didn't get dogs to leave them all alone. Plus am a huge advocate ofadoptionespecially older dogs because everyone loves puppies but many disgard the older ones. Not something I would like someone to do to me when I get older. My last adoption was a 10 year old poodle mix that was in bad shape when she got to a pound in los angeles. But regardless how she looked we had a connection and now she is a healthy happy sweetheart. I just had to put my 15 year old shepard mix down on Saturday. Found him on the streets of los angeles. He was not a designer dog like many want but he was my best friend. If people could learn to look at these animals as living creatures that suffer just the same as us then the world may be a little less abusive. Anyway that's my two cents for today. When I get over my sadness another lucky pup from SAGA will join my family. Love you Rocky you were the best thing that I found on the side of a freeway.
Posted By: BeBelize

Re: Need advice... Animal... - 03/18/13 08:26 PM


Thank you Simon and Govikes -- I also agree with what both of you said and would have posted the same myself, but you beat me to it.

And to Thetruebelize, so sorry for the loss of your Rocky. It is very difficult to lose a beloved pet, but as you know, eventually your heart will be ready to love another one. They're so worth every day we have with them!

Best wishes,
Emily
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