Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean

Posted By: Marty

Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/16/03 09:58 PM

a friend asks...

Does this make us Mayaribbeans or Mayaribbeaneanians?
Posted By: chismera

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/16/03 10:10 PM

How about "victims"?
Posted By: klcman

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 01:15 AM

perhaps the board lexicologist will advise wink

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 04:01 AM

it really looks to fast for me.......placencia to pg looking better by the day DUANE
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 07:49 AM


Me or Dog?

Posted By: dbdoberman

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 01:10 PM

I vote with Chismera. Idaho, do you have something in your eye? wink
Posted By: crockhunter

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 02:33 PM

Is there a nautical term that is the equivalent of road kill?
Posted By: dogmatic prevaricator

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 02:52 PM

Posted By: dogmatic prevaricator

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 03:02 PM

Posted By: dogmatic prevaricator

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/17/03 03:03 PM

Fin Whales
Posted By: chismera

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/18/03 12:40 AM

Posted By: Marty

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/29/03 04:40 PM

The following information was gleaned from cruise ship Websites,
ecruises and other Websites. Not warranted error-free because the
cruise ship sites are VERY difficult to wade through in terms of
schedules and shore excursions.

A. Cruise Ships Landing in Belize, 1 January - 30 June 2004

Carnival Line Cruise Ships Landing in Belize (numbers in parentheses are
normal passenger capacity, maximum passenger capacity)

--Legend ((2124, 2670)
--Glory (2974, 3427)
--Paradise (2052, 2634)
--Elation (2052, 3634)
--Inspiration (2052, 2634)

Royal Caribbean Line Cruise Ships Landing in Belize (numbers in
parentheses are normal passenger capacity, maximum passenger capacity)

--Grandeur of the Seas (1950, 2441)
--Splendour of the Seas (1804, 2062)
--Voyager of the Seas (3118, 3840)
--Nordic Empress (1600, 2020)

Norwegian Line Cruise Ships Landing in Belize (numbers in parentheses
are normal passenger capacity, maximum passenger capacity)

--Norwegian Sea (2642, 3386)
--Norwegian Wind (1748, 1748)
--Norwegian Dream (1748, 1748)

B. Schedules by Days of the Week

Mondays: only 1 ship lands on 22 March (Carnival Legend)

--Two days have the POSSIBILITY of exceeding cruise ship
passenger limits set by the GOB - 13 January and 3 February
--13 January, normal passenger capacity 7120, maximum
passenger capacity 8915 - ships are the Carnival Paradise, Royal
Caribbean Grandeur of the Seas and Voyager of the Seas
-- 3 February, normal passenger capacity 7048, maximum
passenger capacity 8538 - ships are the Carnival Glory and Legend and
Royal Caribbean Grandeur of the Seas
--Two or more ships land on each of:
--6 and 13 January
--3 and 10 February
--13 April
--Carnival is the primary cruise line

--Two or more ships land on each of:
--7, 14, 21, 28 January
--4, 11, 18, 25 February
--3, 10, 17, 24, 31 March
--7, 14 April
--Norwegian is the primary cruise line with two ships landing
almost every Wednesday (Norwegian Sea and Norwegian Wind).
--Three ships land only on 7 April (Carnival Legend, Norwegian
Sea and Wind - 6514, 7804)

--Carnival Elation is the only ship landing from 18 March - 24
--Ships are mixture primarily of Carnival Elation and Norwegian
--Two or more ships land on each of
--8, 15, 29 January
--5, 12, 19, 26 February
--5, 11 March
--19 February has the possibility of exceeding cruise passenger
limitations (5924 normal capacity, 8052 maximum capacity) - ships are
Carnival Elation, Carnival Legend, Norwegian Dream

--Only 1 ship each Friday with exception of 2 January when
Carnival Legend and Carnival Inspiration each land. Otherwise, Carnival
Inspiration is only ship landing on Fridays.

Saturday: 6 March only - Carnival Legend

Sundays: 18 January only - Carnival Legend and Royal Caribbean
Splendour of the Seas

Sites available to passengers for tours:


--Belize River (motorboat, kayaking) (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Sibun River (cave tubing - lunch at Cheers) (Carnival, Royal
--Cave's Branch (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--New River (in combination with Lamanai) (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)

Cayes/Marine Attractions:

--Rendezvous Caye (Carnival, Royal Caribbean)
--Caye Chapel (Carnival)
--Goff's Caye (may also include Sargeants or English Caye) (Carnival,
Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Shark Ray Alley (Carnival, Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Caye Caulker (Carnival, Norwegian)
--Turneffe Atoll (diving) (Carnival, Royal Caribbean)
--San Pedro (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)


--Altun Ha ruins and area around Altun Ha (both for ruins and biking)
(Carnival, Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Xunantunich ruins (Carnival, Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Lamanai, New River (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)
--Tikal (Norwegian)
--Cahal Pech (Norwegian)

Other Attractions

--Belize City, including Museum and Haulover Creek (Carnival, Norwegian,
Royal Caribbean)
--Belize Zoo (Carnival, Norwegian, Royal Caribbean - Royal Caribbean
calls the Belize Zoo the "Belize Wildlife Sanctuary)
--Windy Hill property (horseback riding and nature walk) (Carnival)
--Guanacaste (Norwegian)
--Gracie Rock (biking) (Norwegian, Royal Caribbean)

Carnival offers a choice of 12 sites to passengers.

Norwegian offers a choice of 18 sites to passengers.

Royal Caribbean offers a choice of 14 sites to passengers.

All 3 offer in common:

--Goff's Caye
--Shark Ray Alley
--Altun Ha
--Some form of Belize City tour
--Belize Zoo
--Cave Tubing (either Cave's Branch or Sibun River)

Norwegian alone offers Tikal, Cahal Pech and Guanacaste.

Only Carnival offers Caye Chapel.

Some comments on Belize excursions: (cave tubing) (general comments) (Belize City)
Posted By: Marty

Re: Cruise line coins a new word - Mayaribbean - 12/29/03 04:46 PM

Posted on Sun, Dec. 28, 2003

Extras can drive up cost of cruises
Cruise lines market all-inclusive vacations, but make sure you take
along extra bucks for premium meals, drinks and can't-miss shore
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The deals are tantalizing.

An eight-day cruise, for example, can go for $565 (taxes are extra).
That's about $70 a day per person for room, board, a pool, a couple of
Caribbean ports and entertainment.

But take along some spare change for alcoholic beverages -- either the
cute souvenir variety or straight up -- as well as photos, shore
excursions, casinos, art auctions, alternative dining rooms and spas.
All of those extras can add hundreds of dollars or more to the cost of a
vacation at sea.

Cruise lines derive about 20 percent or more of their revenue from
onboard spending, up from 15 percent in the past, leading some to wonder
whether the lines can continue to market the product as all-inclusive.
But, UBS Investment Research analyst Robin Farley said in a recent
report, onboard sales are ``a more significant contributor to
profitability than that would suggest.''

A recent case in point is Princess Cruises' decision to operate the spas
on two ships debuting next year.

''It gives us 100 percent control over our product,'' Princess
spokeswoman Julie Benson said.

It also gives the company another way to make money from passengers who
paid bargain ticket prices to fill the ever-increasing number of ever
larger ships. For some cruises, ''all-exclusive'' would be a better term
than ''all-inclusive,'' cruise authority Douglas Ward says in his new
2004 Berlitz Guide to Ocean Cruising & Cruise Ships.


Carlos Coloma of Coral Gables knew what he was getting into. He took his
family on a weeklong cruise on Royal Caribbean's Explorer of the Seas in
the spring and figures that he spent $1,000 more on shore excursions.

''You're going to want to swim with the stingrays,'' he said of a choice
in the Cayman Islands. Then there's a trip to the falls in Jamaica and
snorkeling in Cozumel. ``We got a really good deal on the cruise price
itself . . . but to go on a cruise and not do excursions is a little
boring. We like to have an active vacation.''

Still, said Art Sbarsky, former cruise-line executive and now a
cruise-industry consultant based in South Florida, ``individual item
prices on board have gone up out of proportion to real inflation.''

A six-by-eight-inch photo can cost $9.95, which Sbarsky estimates is up
50 percent from several years ago. A 50-minute massage is $99. A few
years ago, it cost $1 a minute.

''It's not to say people are not enjoying the cruises,'' but they are
complaining, Sbarsky said. ``They're particularly complaining about the
number of announcements onboard about revenue-producing events.''


The cruise lines say it's possible to go on a seven-day cruise for less
than $600 and not spend much more at all. Everything that used to be
included still is, but they are adding services and amenities to compete
with land-based vacations.

Carnival Cruise Lines alone has hundreds of shore excursions, notes Tim
Gallagher, spokesman for the Miami-based cruise giant. Besides the
traditional city tours, beach visits and snorkeling, the company has
more exotic pursuits.

''They are much more involved excursions than they used to be,''
Gallagher said.

A four-hour ''Eco-Kayak Jungle Adventure'' on Cozumel, for instance,
costs $79 and includes lunch. Cave tubing and rain-forest exploration in
Belize last seven hours, cost $85 and are geared to the more active in
the crowd. Lunch is included.

In St. Maarten, a Shipwreck Cove snorkel tour lasts 3 hours and comes
with complimentary rum punch after snorkeling. Cost: $49. And in Alaska,
a Misty Fjord seaplane adventure lasts two hours, includes a lake
landing and costs $219 a person.

All cruise lines have become more stringent in terms of what they
require the tour operators to have, such as insurance, so their costs
are going up.

''You don't have to buy any of this,'' Gallagher said.

True, said Jeffrey Spector of Pembroke Pines, a veteran cruiser. ''If
the boat didn't go to any port, I'd be just as happy driving around the
ocean,'' he said. ``It's the best value for the money. I'm there just to

While the cruise lines are happy to have passengers like Spector, they
anticipate more revenue from others.

Carnival's onboard revenue increased 3 percent last year, and for
Princess it grew 2 percent even while ticket prices declined, analyst
Farley noted in a report.

''And that is high-margin revenue on which the cruise lines don't have
to pay travel agent commissions,'' she said.


''Historically, the cruise industry has seen more growth in passenger
volumes than in ticket price,'' she said in the report. ``Cruise growth
is about getting 10 percent more people to take a cruise, not getting
people to pay 10 percent more for a cruise.''

In its recent conference call with analysts, Carnival noted in a
discussion about onboard revenue that it had renegotiated contracts with
several suppliers, getting a bigger piece of the pie.

Suppliers have noticed.

Princess' spa announcement in late October sent shares of Steiner
Leisure down 24 percent over two days.

The Coral Gables company runs spas and salons on ships, including
Princess, and at resorts.

''I think we are excited about the opportunity that Princess has now
decided to challenge us at this game,'' Steiner Chief Executive Officer
Leonard Fluxman told analysts shortly after the news. ``We are really
puzzled as to how the economics can make sense.''

Princess' Benson said the line wouldn't discuss the financial aspect of
the decision. Princess, owned by Carnival Corp., will decide next year
whether to take the idea fleetwide.

Steiner's contract with the line runs until the end of next year.

Spas aside, the two biggest components of onboard spending are casinos,
which most lines operate themselves, and drinks.

A planter's punch with Myers rum, for instance, costs $9.95 on a recent
Royal Caribbean's Voyager of the Seas cruise; one Johnnie Walker Black
went for $5.50. Ships cut their costs with duty-free liquor.


''The drink prices are very, very high,'' said Tony Peisley, a
London-based cruise analyst who just wrote Global Changes in the Cruise
Industry 2003-2010. ``At one time, it was a delight to go into a bar on
a cruise ship, because it was cheaper than home.''

In general, he said, ``you're moving to a situation where it's quite
hard to market cruising as all-inclusive.''

But, Peisley said, ``the cruise lines aren't stupid. . . . They're aware
there's a level over which you can't go.''
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