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Posted By: elbert

maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 07:43 PM

Georgia, situated at the dividing line of Asia and Europe, is an ancient country of rugged mountains and very determined people.

Annexed by Russia in 1801, it regained its sovereignty in 1918. It then suffered through 70 years of Communist rule and suppression, finally declaring its independence from Russia in 1991.

The people here say they "Never Gave Up," and those people now have their long-desired freedom.

Traditionally an agricultural land - quite famous for it's wines - tourism is on front-burner in Georgia as international travel has increased - especially along the Black Sea coastal areas.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa3/elbertgreer/Georgia.gif
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 07:47 PM

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Posted By: ragman

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 08:52 PM

e,
I would hope that Russia would restrain from an escalation of war but with Putin that could probably be a wild dream. He is not happy with US/European influence in Georgia and this provides cover.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 08:58 PM

1400 dead today is the report i read . he used the cover of the Start of the Games to sneak attack.
'Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. Both provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s and both have close ties with Moscow.

Georgia began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia late Thursday with heavy shelling and air strikes that ravaged South Ossetia's provincial capital of Tskhinvali.

The Russia response was swift and overpowering thousands of troops that shelled the Georgians until they fled Tskhinvali on Sunday, and four days of bombing raids across Georgia.'
Posted By: ragman

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 09:03 PM

KGB mentality. We have to be careful with him.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 09:07 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 09:21 PM

My Russian friend said,"current Georgian president is insane figure, trying to make US and RU enemies for his personal political ambitions."
Posted By: ragman

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/08/08 10:01 PM

e

If your info is correct that could explain a lot. Through out history one person has made a large impact some times good and some times not. Let us hope this will quite down in a few days.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 03:52 PM

I have a lot of Russians commenting and i love getting opinions other than those CNN wants me to have.
check out what the Russians have to say
http://yobubba.livejournal.com/52531.html
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 03:58 PM

translated from Russian,
People of the Republic of South Ossetia apply for the government of the Russian Federation and for the people of Russia!
The International Community that has been hypnotized with the crying misinformation of the government of Georgia and the cynical insinuations of Saakashvily doesn't undertake any measures to cut off the military actions of the Georgian part. On the contrary, they make different attempts to deprive the people of the South Ossetia of the peacemaking support and, in that way, doom them to the absolute destruction with the Georgian fascists. Meanwhile, the Georgian nationalists achieve their aims annihilating nearly one and a half thousand people of the South Ossetia and depriving the roofs and making the potential refugees the others.
The irrepressible national ambitions and the territorial pretensions are warm up with the Georgian mass media, the supporting of the USA the world-wide predominant force that has it's own interests in the region. When in April of 1989 in Tbilisi in the result of the dispersal of the unapproved antistate and nationalistic meeting perished 20 Georgian women, the Georgian part demonstrated the national hysteria with the involving of the universal mass media. Though, there is the data that those events also were the skilled insinuation of the Georgian "masters of the theatrical genre". And now, when thousands of people die, the Georgian nation triumphs, approving of the actions of their fascist government. The West is deaf.
To live as a part of the fascist state is impossible. We ask for the juridical and legal help for recognizing the independence of the South Ossetia. And we ask for the help in the reducing the truth about the tragedy to the International Community, the RF and the common people.
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 06:00 PM

interesting. they don't mention the terrorism propogated on the Georgian people that sparked the crackdown (surpise, surpise!)

It's a civil war people. Imagine France deciding to side with the Basques and invading Spain, or India siding with Tibet and invading China.

I'm not saying Georgia is blameless, but Russia is just plain wrong!
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 06:06 PM

US oil flow interest factor scare me , I feel the US will side not on right, wrong or none of our business, but on the side that will keep the oil flowing.
Check the China opinion.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/09/content_9101010.htm
Posted By: Otteralum

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 06:13 PM

very valid issue elbert
Posted By: Rykat

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 07:49 PM

and I would expect nothing less of Washington.
(by the way, elbert what was that download the entire Chinese language)?
When GWB looked into Putin's eyes he should have seen a sewage treatment facility. sick
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/09/08 08:03 PM

Slow download problems?
Its in English
Posted By: Danny2

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/11/08 11:17 AM


Putin probably whispered into George's ear " I'll kick your ass" and then he did.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/11/08 02:58 PM

bottom line
Georgia is a key part of the so-called "southern energy corridor" backed by the United States which has been seeking to connect the oil-rich Caspian Sea region with world markets.
A key oil pipeline to Turkey runs about 100 km south of Tskhinvali, capital of South Ossetia.
remember this when everyone starts to talk about terrorism, freedom, and democraticy.
none of which have anything thing to do with whats going on.
Posted By: skippy

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/11/08 03:05 PM

Where are the anti-war groups? It's not just our wars that they oppose, is it?
Posted By: Bobber

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/11/08 03:47 PM

Pretty much....ummm... yup.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/11/08 09:36 PM

This is an interesting post from a Russian friend about the political history.

" 't was not annexion. 't was protectorat agreement in 1783. Some later Russia withdrew their army (in 1787) because of Russian-Turkish war and separatists' protest. And after Persian invasion in 1795, when Georgians were blasted out by Persians, Russia was forced to take part in this war to through out Persians from Georgia. Six years later dying King of Georgia , Georgius XII, asked Russian Tsar Paul I to incorporate Georgia into Russian Empire, having the reason to protect his people.
There were another times, rough and inpolite, but I must say, America did the same for Philippines and Cuba - protected them from Spain, then incorporated as territories. It was usual practic."
Having nothing but sorrow for this conflict, I have to say, current Georgian president is insane figure, trying to make US and RU enemies for his personal political ambitions.

I love hearing the real people speak and not what CNN thinks.
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/12/08 03:24 PM

CNN is now on the band wagon
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/markets/bp_pipeline.ap/index.htm?cnn=yes
Posted By: azbob

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/12/08 03:44 PM

Pravada is, of course, blaming the US:
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/11-08-2008/106053-georgia_ossetia_russia-0l]

This is sounding like the "cold war". A complicated and very dangerous situation and sad people are dieing.
Posted By: Diane Campbell

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/13/08 03:23 PM

IMHO - It's not a "cold war" when people are shooting.
Probably a bit more than a "police action" as well.

Whose fault is it --- probably all major players now involved.

Sometimes culture and memories of who-done-my-country-wrong make hate and revenge a source of pride.

Sometimes yes, you do need to fight. But your aim is better if your hand is not shaking with rage. And your mind is better able to judge the long-range benefits of your actions if you are not angry.


Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/13/08 04:50 PM

The Russian solders said they where shooting the roofs of to put the residents out of homes. a kinda punishment.
Thats got to be hard to do ,just shoot the roofs off with a tank cannon. they killed aprox. 1400 civilians doing it.
Posted By: azbob

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/13/08 05:41 PM

Diane, I just meant the rhetoric sounds like the "cold war".
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/15/08 08:16 PM

Below is a Black Sea map that might make more clear the countrys relationships to one another and to the international waterways.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa3/elbertgreer/Black_Sea_map.png
Posted By: elbert

Re: maps of europe are a poor investment - 08/16/08 04:13 PM

sounds like a little decention on the Russian side,
Translation: Russian English

"... Why are the Chechens fought with Russia during the Yeltsin?
Because of this the men they were ashamed to obey Yeltsin.
Why Chechens stopped fighting with Russia in time of Putin?
Because this man is not ashamed to obey Putin.
As men-Georgians will then abide by its Saakashvili can not quite understand! .. "(C)
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