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San Pedro Daily has a nice article about it but a different view from what seems like a more rational opinion.
http://www.sanpedrodaily.com/6-8-14.html


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And now Canada is being forced to bend over to the US FACTA laws: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fat...ks-to-send-info-to-irs-1.2690039?cmp=rss

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I think the jig was up when the Swiss caved awhile ago...initially the requirement was to register with the US Treasury for US citizens to report accounts held in aggregate with balances totaling more than 10K USD in a calendar year. This has now turned more and more into a revenue witch hunt not only for undeclared foreign income but to collect the penalties (omg they're horrendous) for not filing. This year FBARs were required to be filed online by June 30th.

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This is so out of hand that a group of the largest banks in Europe are working on a plan to help push along the movement away from the American dollar as a world currency. The day that happens, if it in fact does, the American people will realize how out of control government is.

I think the plan is to use a whole new bank exchange system, not currency, to remove the threats made by America. Just how it will work I have no idea but the point is many countries and banking systems are getting fed up with being tax collectors for the USA.

ps The largest bank in the world, a European bank, was just fined $10 billion dollars for "willfully" hiding transactions from the USA.

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...the point is many countries and banking systems are getting fed up with being tax collectors for the USA.


Indeed Jim or at least the institution that is now required to rat out its US customers...



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For those who maybe interested here is an up to date article of unexpected consequences of FACTA. I wish they would get this all straightened out but they seem to be just plowing ahead with harassment of expats all over the world.

Tough tax rules see expats ditch US pass.
CNBC By Katy Barnato

Expatriate Americans are renouncing U.S. citizenship in record volumes because of increasingly onerous tax-filing requirements-and the number doing so is likely to continue rising.

Around 6.32 million Americans (excluding military) live abroad-about as many as who inhabit the state of Tennessee. The majority of expats are based in Europe, but growing numbers live in the Asian financial hubs of Tokyo, Singapore and Hong Kong.

These �migr�s have been swept up in a government crackdown on tax evasion, following well-publicized investigations into Swiss banks like UBS (Swiss Exchange: UBSN-CH) and Credit Suisse that are alleged to have helped Americans conceal money abroad.
The result is that increasing numbers of expats are opting to relinquish their passports.
In the first six months of 2014, 1,577 Americans expatriated their citizenship, according to data from the IRS- the U.S. tax authority.

Last year as whole, 2,999 Americans officially cut their ties to the U.S.-over three times more than in 2012 and far above a previous record of 1,781 in 2011.

"We probably get two or three calls a day from people saying they want to relinquish citizenship. That would have much rarer six or seven years ago, maybe once every couple of months," Scott Michel, the president of tax law specialist Caplin & Drysdale, told CNBC.

Michel was one of several lawyers and financial advisers across the U.S., Europe and Asia who told CNBC that more Americans were requesting advice on expatriating.

"What is really driving Americans to expatriate is not that they do not want to pay taxes. What is driving them crazy is that now filling out tax returns is much more complicated-it requires tremendous work in terms of tax-record keeping and then it can cost thousands of dollars to get a competent person to fill it (the tax return) out," David Kuenzi, the founder of Thum Financial Advisors, told CNBC.

A particular bugbear is the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FACTA), which came into force at the end of June this year with the intention of combating tax evasion. It requires all Americans to provide the IRS with detailed information on their foreign financial accounts and offshore assets, and also requires that foreign financial institutions divulge any accounts held by Americans, as well as any entities in which Americans have financial interest.

This latter point has proved controversial, with some countries claiming it violates local laws, and expats saying that certain banks are now unwilling to service them due to the increased administrative burden and the risk of misfiling to the IRS and being hit by penalties.

Individuals can also be hit by steep penalties for misfiling, even by accident. Fines start at $10,000 and criminal charges can apply if the IRS decides information was withheld "willfully".

"My filing requirements and possible penalties are very much different (to U.S. residents)," Jim Rogers, a renowned U.S. investor who lives in Singapore, told CNBC. "It is treating Americans who live abroad differently-you would think it is some kind of discrimination."

Rogers, who was born in Baltimore, said that relinquishing citizenship "crosses the minds of everybody lives abroad".

"I know three or four Americans who are basically being forced to give up citizenship. If you make simple mistakes it could cost you-it could be a criminal offense, or at least a very financially onerous one," he told CNBC.

The U.S. is the only country in the world which levies taxes on the basis of citizenship rather than residency-meaning people can be liable to the IRS without ever having lived in the country, if they hold a U.S. passport or green card.

CNBC spoke to one such citizen-who asked to remain anonymous due to the "very long arm" of the IRS-who was born and raised in London but holds a U.S. passport through his American father.

A trainee obstetrician, he mulled cutting his U.S. ties after his sister was threatened with a hefty fine for accidentally misfiling.

"Giving up citizenship would be incredibly difficult to undertake from an emotional standpoint," he told CNBC. "However, financially you have to be ever so careful...It is something I have to consider in the future."

Renouncing U.S. citizenship is neither easy nor cheap however. Citizens must undergo at least two intensive interviews with consular officers and renunciation is subject to final approval by lawmakers in Washington.

Would-be expatriates must also pay both a fee and an "exit tax", although the latter only applies to those who meet a minimum income or net worth threshold, or have failed to comply with federal tax obligations.

This month, the fee for renunciation will rise five-fold to $2,350. Justifying the increase, the Department of State noted that demand for expatriation had increased "dramatically" since a fee of $450 was set in 2010.

U.K. expats may also soon feel the long arm of the taxman. Last month, the British government launched a consultation on whether non-residents should cease to benefit from the �10,000 ($16,100) tax-free allowance which all Britons are currently guaranteed. The move was criticized by the U.K. media, with the Daily Telegraph newspaper headlining with "Expats face �400 million tax raid".


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Am biting tongue and filing FBARs because I am too bloody old to fight this particular battle.....

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Originally Posted by Diane Campbell

Bit-coin anyone?



The threat of cyber currencies and the reckless spending causing huge government debts which weighs on the value of the currencies has been a cause of the rise of Basel III requirements which will see currencies backed by assets at least partially, instead of the hot air of politicians backing them. Just watch what happens.


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Originally Posted by Diane Campbell
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cowrie shells, here we come --- or is it Bitcoin?



Diane Campbell is one of the most intelligent and sensible people I have witnessed on this forum

Go Diane !!!! Yeah !!!!

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