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Funny how you left out the second part of that quote.

What is the alternative? A weak socialistic government that limits individual freedom and redistributes the incomes of its people. THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME.

God Bless America. It's still the greatest country in the world. (But Belize is possibly the most beautiful )

Amen TannedBanana

"We still have this massive problem that clearly points towards human source(s). And equally as clear is that the solution is in our hands as well"

Many people, myself included, believe this not to be true. That what we're seeing is part of a series of complex natural cycles that owe (virtually) nothing to man's influence. That's not an uninformed opinion, but one grown from scientific training and review of currently-available objective data. It's still an opinion of course.

I think we should be devoting our energies on how to cope with what's happening, not fruitless attempts at trying to stop it. The coral dying, deeply regrettable though it is, is minor compared with many other changes in the offing.

I do accept that those changes that can be attributed to human influence, such as pollution of the oceans and unsustainable fishing procedures, should be tackled. Unfortunately there seems little will to do this.

The UN is not an ideal organisation but it's all we've got. Rather than condemning it out-of-hand we should be trying to make it better. The whole world is moving towards these supra-national organisations, and many of the problems we see are structural rather than to do with individual people. And please God the USA does not revert to the isolationism that so nearly led to global disaster 60-odd years ago.

I would fight and die to ever keep this from happening. The day my country is overseen by ANY other outside government or foreign body is the day I rise to arms. "We The People....."

A little bit of this wouldn't be a bad idea. There are quite a few other countries that would LOVE to see the U.S. lose its economic and military super power status. Funny how a country with a free market system and is ruled by its own people has come so far in just 280 years. God save this planet if any other country surpassed us. There is no place on Earth where a poor man or immigrant can become a wealthy man through hard work alone.

Name ONE other country in the world where people are dying and breaking the law to enter just for the opportunity for a better life.

Europe has many illegal immigrants.

Many people in the EU don't want to be ruled by an unelected and unaccountable supranational organisation either, but that is just what is happening. Once you have a supposedly benign but unelected and therefore un-removeable ruler, what happens when someone malign chooses to manipulate the system and move in and take over?

There are too many similarities to Germany in the '20s for many people to feel comfortable - this is how Hitler took power. He never broke any laws, but changed them in his interests as he went along.

I only recently learned that the same destiny is planned for Caricom, and whatever scant accountability the rulers of Belize currently have to the people will be lost.

As we all know, the USA provided the aid that enabled Britain to resist Hitler. But that nearly didn't happen, and if Hitler had defeated Britain and consolidated its hold over the whole of Europe, then it's likely that with Nazi Europe on one side and Japan on the other, the USA would have succombed. THAT's the danger of isolationism.

Well Pedro2, I might not agree with your views on global warming, but in terms of political argument, you get points for rational thought - often a rarity in these parts.

Maybe the rest of the world should start acknowledging all the U.S. has done and is still doing for most of these countries that either A) can't defend themselves or B) Can't sustain their own over bred populations or C) can't bring themselves out of a huge natural disaster on their own. By no means am I saying "Look how great we are, we are so nice so kiss our a$$". But I am saying that as a whole Americans are very charitable, caring and giving people. And the rest of the world doesn't see this because they are so influenced by their left leaning propaganda filled media that they believe everything they are told.

THOUSANDS of Americans died in ONE day on June 6th, 1944...thus saving the French from becoming a German speaking country. And how are repaid? And that's one example.

Isolationism occurs when we as a country feel as if we are disrespected even after all we do for this planet. Next time France, Germany or Russia needs us in a bad way, we may not be there. And I think this brings us full circle back to the U.N. There is extreme pressure on Washington D.C. right now to pull out. Tax payers are sick and tired of sending their money to a socialist organization filled with corruption, greed and self importance. (Not that our own politicians are much better�hahaha)

And as far as "succombing" to Nazi Germany had they won...we were the only country with a nuke in the 40's. We would have leveled this planet before we would have allowed that to happen.

on this same level, many many russians died so that americans didn't have to die on the western front. we provided the hardware (guns tanks etc) for the russians to beat the germans on the eastern front, the russians provided the software (their bodies)

by the time the USA invaded france the german army was a shell of what it once was. the german armed forces were shattered on the eastern front. shades of napolean. he got back with a few thousand men and started out with hundreds of thousands.

TB - the USA didn't help through any feeling of altruism, nor was their aid given freely. They realised that if Hitler did defeat the UK the USA would have been next, so it was largely self-interest. The aid was lent on a basis of strict repayment and a number of other draconian conditions relating to those parts of the British Empire that still existed.

I'm not saying that there wasn't a great deal of personal emotional involvement, but countries don't make major decisions on that basis. It has to add up economically and politically.

The USA may not have the option of "not being there" next time around. The world is a great deal smaller than it was in the 1940's, and even then FDR realised that staying out wasn't an option. Isolationism simply is no longer an option.

How much do you know about the development of the atomic bomb - where it was developed, who by, etc? And if you had had control over it's deployment, where would you have dropped it?

history is history, and your speculations are just that.

God Bless America