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Insofar as my "questions" are directed at SAGA, and I don't think most are, SAGA have already indicated that they will not answer them. I don't think anything I have said or asked undermines SAGA, but I do think issuing a call for people to sign a petition where (it becomes clear) they are withholding critical information that those people would like to know is at the least deceitful. They can't honestly think the Licensing Board will be swayed by a petition (certainly not now I have been able to discover a little about the Board's decision), so I imagine their objective is merely to stir and raise the temperature.

Incidentally Colette, I only know one person who suggested you were involved in the Immigration Department debacle. I and many others never suspected you of having anything to do with it.

From his last post I can tell that Peter is obviously getting his information from only one side and is propogating that information. Collete is right, pick up the phone.

I am not accusing you of doing anything Peter - that remark was meant to the person who contacted the immigration authorities attempting to have Dr. Droke deported.

No Simon, I have obtained some information from that "other side" and have given it, as well as commenting on the information given by or on behalf of SAGA. This whole sorry affair has been manipulated from the beginning, and the people who manipulated it are now beginning to see the inevitable consequences. Do you honestly think any director of SAGA is going to talk about the various events of the recent past? Even now I don't know what their game is, because it is quite clear that (1) SAGA have not been denied having their own vet, so that is an outright lie, and (2) even without their own vet they can continue to operate much as they should have done in the past. I might add (3) the reason they don't have a vet is wholly of their own making.

this is like private doctors trying to shut down free clinics.

iluvbelize, peter, come on guys. You say the issue is for the animals and not about the people fighting behind the curtains, but all you've done is tried to protect pedro/lauri aka private vet by trying to deflect the negative attention to SAGA. Bravo. Try to be a little less hypocritical and contradictive.

I personally think if this is a matter of greed and it disgusts me. Unlike you two, i REALLY do believe that if this is the case the problem IS with the people trying to shut down SAGA, and that is what needs to be discussed. Petitions and donations alone ARE NOT going to do anything. The ROOT issue is what needs to be addressed.

Im sure if Outback steakhouse was trying to shut down homeless soup kitchens in Chicago it wouldn't fly too well. It doesn't make fiscal sense anyway, alot of the people that go to SAGA go there because they CANT afford a private vet. So if SAGA closes those people aren't all the sudden going to go to the new vet, you are just going to have more strays, more sick/dying dogs, and people will have no options at all.

It breaks my heart to see all the homeless dogs here. Imagine if SAGA wasnt spaying and neutering hundreds a week. There will be more dogs than people in no time, Poisonings will have to commence. Peter, THIS is why SAGAs needed.

AC

To clarify. Dr. Droke is not trying to close Saga directly, she is objecting to all Humane Societies in Belize having an in-house vet, thus competing with private practices. I am not sure any other Humane Societies have a full-time vet, so guess where that is aimed. Clever stategy, but aimed purely at her 'competition'.

Howver, about 75% of Sagas income is from veterinary services, without which, we would find it very difficult to continue. Add to the the fact that Dr. Droke will have to carry out all the medical proceedures, at a huge cost to Saga, there will be very little done. To compare, an in house vet can do 10 spay/neuter surgeries a day. To use Dr. Droke at her minimum rate, and not allowing for the 'additional costs' she loves to add, the cost for 10 surgeries is Bze$1,500. Take off her very generous 20% discount, you still have $1,200 minimum. Saga could not pay that with a full time vet in their employ. Simple math.

The story about the dog that died over the week-end is based on truth, but the owner was told to go to Dr. Droke but said she couild not afford her rates. You can not force someone to go where they do not want to go. This is far from the first time this has happened.

There has been a constant stream of accusations against Saga from Dr. Droke and Peter, I am sure those of you that read the 'other' message board has seen it. It is drivel, and unfounded. There are two on this thread that seem to believe it all, Peter Jones and Iluvbelize. They are entitled to their opinion, but they should try listening to both sides.

And to Peter, no there was not an effort by Saga to stop Dr. Droke working. The rumour was spread by Them that the raid was instigated by Saga, though I am sure the raid did happen. I can tell you that we thought she had her permit, that is what we were told by immigration. And before you jump to conclusions about why we were in contact with immigration, it was because she had a cheque from Saga to pay for her work permit renewal, and we did not want to pay for her to work privately. We was told that her permit was approved, and paid with a private cheque. And, again not to let you jump to conclusions, the unused cheque was returned soon after.

Anything 'bad' or 'negative' that happened to Dr. Droke or Pedro was automatically blamed on Saga, and their 'vindictive' nature. What rubbish.

As for 'Friends of San Pedro', that came about due to the Saga bashing earlier this year, I do not have confidense they are pro-Saga.

All of you, do not take my word for it. Contact Saga, contact people who listen to both sides, and make up your own mind.

And help Saga survive, this island needs Saga, and Saga needs a vet to survive.

Well I can certainly understand the issue here Saga did 190 spays and neuters last week for free if they were to work with the new SPAH it would cost SAGA 120 per op = $22,200 bucks

Well I think we all agree that is just not possible and certainly explains why they need there own full time vet.

I still think there is enough biz for both entities

Gaz

How is that Saga can do 190 in a week when, an in house vet can do 10 spay/neuter surgeries a day.

From what the post said it was with volunteer vets and assistants I guess kinda like the dentists that come in now and again.

Normally they do 40-50 a month which would still cost them $6000 monthly

only reading what Marty posted earlier

Gaz

cause they arent milking the clock to justify high rates? lol

AC