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My impression so far is that the Tea Party is red neck, It sounds like a wonderful idea having another choice and I love the name, but my exposure to them so far has just been red necks, I hope I'm wrong.
This one doesn't seem to be a neck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDMIm7iA5lQ

"Redneck is historically a derogatory slang term to refer to poor white Southern farmers in the United States."(wiki)

Depends on your defintion of redneck, Elbert. I was born to middle class in New Jersey, never poor and never a farmer but consider myself a redneck politically.
No I dont fly a Confederate flag but I do like toilet seat bean bag throws!

Wow, knock me over with a feather! All of a sudden Rykat is concerned about derogatory names!!??!!

Me thinks he was just setting the facts straight.

The tea party is not all "red necks", believe me. A lot of people like your everyday neighbors just sick and tired of being raked over the coals by politicians for the last few decades until there isn't a heck of a lot of differences between the two major parties. They have both become disconnected from their constituents, and the time may be right to remind them that they do work for US, and that we do remember their promises from the last elections cycle that were backed up with more excuses. Same old Same old does not cut it anymore.

Not a tea partier, but definitely an interested observer. Let's see how it breaks.

Rykat Its OK to be a self proclaimed Red neck , and I had my suspicions :-)
My brothers are all good old boys from the south that have pickup trucks, work the trades, drink beer and wont visit me because they 'ain't goin to no furin country'.
Bobber you sound like what i was wanting to hear. Its possible the majority of the people feel like that.
Palin's affiliation will harm the Tea Party cause more than a little neck image.

I dont give two wet towelheads about derogatory names! :-)
PC is BS!
Got sumpthin to say................spit it out!

I had joinged every third party group that sprung up in hopes of better choices. Just today I packed away my two (yet to be worn) Ross Perot t-shirts.
I wore a Jesse Jackson button one year and was last registered as a Libertarian.

HOWEVER - do you guys listen to what they proclaim? Bill Maher had a woman on Monday night who spouted all kinds of misinformation. Some of these folks really scare me. But what the heck - sometimes I scare myself.

I'm sure Bill Maher could buy anyone to say anything. Methinks you need a different source for your politics, Harriette! Maybe Colbert or Stewart would be better?

(btw: Should be able to pick up some Ron Paul tees real cheap - pre shrunk and pre-worn!)

Why not be proud members of walmart nation and get yerselves some of these t-shirts: http://www.zazzle.com/made_in_china_tshirt-235440052434223455

Bottom guy on the economic totem pole is always the manufacturing choice its just the way world business works.
Made in Mexico was it prior to, made in Japan, then Korea, then Poland and now China. I wouldn't want the world to think America was so economically depressed the cheap labor could be had and the states became the bottom guy on the economic pile.
Made in USA just means some schmoes are working cheaper than the rest of the world.

HEH! Thats a good one! Gotta git me a few of doze when they goes on sale!

i'd rather have a tea party with Jim Jones than this bunch. they seem to have forgotten about separation of church and state among other things....

Marty - They have forgotten a lot of things! One of their leading canidates was in a debate where she stated that evolution was not a fact.

Who said "evolution IS a FACT" ?

Think there's a little reverse evolution going on in this thread???

Rykat.....You're an idiot.

The original "founders" of the Tea Party has come out against the movement, saying it has been hijacked by the very people it was protesting and is now obsessed with "guns, gays and God."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/tea-party-founder-slams-tea-party/

Elbert!!!YOU REALLY GOTTA GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THAT LEFT-WING SEWER. Broaden your horizons.

Bing???!!!! Bout time ya got a pair a balls! Problem is, typical leftist name calling - feel better now!???

You telling Elbert to "broaden his horizons"...that had me spitting diet coke onto my keyboard.

Well first off, Yes, I guess I do feel a little better. Secondly I don't know how you can call the left name callers when you have the Grand Imperial Wizard Rush Limbaugh and his mini-me Glen Beck who do nothing but name call to rile up the ignorant masses that follow them,

Funny thing about those teabaggers, they are bankrolled by the Koch brothers, who have nothing but their own interests at stake here. Teabaggers are being used, and won't even notice until it's too late that the very things they're protesting against are the things controlling them.

Funny thing about those Zombamis, they are bankrolled by Soros, who has nothing but his own interests at stake here. Zombami's are being used, and won't even notice until it's too late that the very things they're protesting against are the things controlling them.

You can take a cookie cutter statement and apply it almost anyway you wish...... and how mature and sophisticated do you have to be to still find enjoyment in calling Grandmothers and Fathers who have never been politically active in their lives before "Cokcsukcers" in such an amusing and witty way because they have decided that both Democrats and Republicans are no longer representing them at the federal level, and are exercising their rights of freedom of assembly and speech?

I have been to several T Party events, usually manning a Libertarian information booth, and have yet to be contacted or organized by anyone other than my local Libertarian party to discuss car pooling and schedules..

Your anger and irrational hatred seems to come far more from fear that the regular folks will no longer put up with crap from Washington that you seem so enamoured with than from any well thought out and defensible position in support of the clowns currently in power....(for 2 more weeks!)

How do you like the "Hope and Change" so far?

You Go PUG!

I knew I liked Pug, just couldnt remember why !

Yeah Pug. My opinion is that this is more of a liberal/conservative battle that people are trying to make into a repub/dem thing (based on the traditional values of each party historically). I believe that the Republican Party abandoned it's people and swung more to the liberal side. All those disenfranchised Repubs, plus the Libertarians and anyone else that is sick and tired of the BS Washington has been feeding us are more than happy to grab onto a third party. I do believe a lot of the entrenched politicians are scrambling to justify their effectiveness, and are having a problem coming up with any positive accomplishments (in the public eye).

This is going to be A. Interesting
B. Hilarious
C. Tragic
or D. Unknown

Just going to have to see how it breaks. Needless to say, the politicos are being given warning that they are under scrutiny.

WTF are you even talking about, or did the voices in your head take over again? I never called anyone names, what I said was the Koch brothers are bankrolling the Teabag Party. That is the original name you gave yourselves, isn't it?

No...I'm a T party attendee........the term Teabagging (hence Teabaggers) is a pejorative that originates from the act of dipping a male organ into the mouth of a vanquished foe, but I think you know that...I seem to remember "someone" mentioning that when they played video games with their children on family fun night how amusing they thought the term was, to which I replied with a comment about parenting skills?

If only I could remember who it was....perhaps I'll look back through the old US Chat archives?

The term is used almost exclusively by the left who true to form will always resort to demeaning and slandering their philosophical opponents rather than debating an issue that they cannot possibly win on merit!

Of course I may be wrong about your skillset...why don't you share with us why a $2trillion budget deficit this year and an increase in both the size of government by employee count and by average pay over private sector for the same job is working so well?

They are just 2 of the many problems the T Party has issues with�.but you know, come to think about it, after November 2nd and what's in store for the Democrats, perhaps Teabaggers will become an appropriate salutation

Amazing how the AFSCME (ie, gov't employees union) is lavishing money on the Dems this year . . perhaps because they have been heretofore immune from the unemployment caused by the policies of their employers

Come on man, the political movement named itself after a popular and funny sexual act, quite possible not knowing what the term even meant.

I mean if a liberal group called themselves the dirty sanchez's or the hand jobs, im sure there would be a few jokes about that on Fox and elsewhere.

Lets not lose our sense of humor, while discussing important and not so important issues...

" Teabaggers"
Political conservatives who hold "Tea Parties" supposedly to protest government spending. (from the Urban dictionary)

Jeez Pug.......lighten up...........oh forget it......rant on grumpy

Teabaggers on the right!
Scumbaggers on the left!

Make mine Tea!

And Rykat proves again he is an idiot.

We on the right know that TRUTH is a difficult concept for the left!

truth is relative to your political feelings. one mans "strict constitutionalist" is another man's "legislating from the bench". interesting how folks say "JUST GO BY THE CONSTITUTION" when they mean "just go by MY INTERPRETATION of the constitution"

the greatest farce in this century was the "strict constitutionalist" and "states rights" supreme court judges first deciding the bush gore election. Now they are allowing unlimited unnamed election contributions???? that's a strict interpretation? the tossing out of hundred year old decided law? no, thats legislating from the bench, just what the right supposedly HATES. But they LOVE IT when it comes down on their political side.

rykat, i would agree that RIGHT WING "TRUTH" is difficult for the left to understand, but it works the other way too. The right sure doesn't understand the "truth" of the left either.

Truth of the Left? uh..................is that one of those oxymoron things???
Sorry Marty, aint finding much truth coming from the left for the past 2 years and as the left always says:
"There's no debating that!"

(Hope you are not equating unnamed election contributions with the Chamber of Commerce fiasco)

btw: thanks for letting this thread go - been spirited!!!!

Right Wing Truth...Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld...ugh...

I do have to admit, I miss the political debates, thanks everyone for this one...

Left Wing truth....too many to list, so little time!

Here's a couple of Obamas truths(List of others in Administration) will follow if needed.

158 Obama claims he wrote letter to US Treasurer to try to prevent the housing crisis; but he acted only AFTER he had caused it by blocking McCain's bill
157 Obama claims he is bipartisan ; Congressional Quarterly shows he voted with his party 97% of the time
156 Obama's dirty lie scares seniors: falsely claims McCain plans to cut $880 billion from Medicare: liar liar liar says Annenberg Factcheck
155 Obama lies about his mother turning to food stamps AND still sending him to top schools; his grandmother paid for education
154 Obama lied about being asked to wear dead soldier's bracelet: family had asked Obama to stop wearing it

153 Obama claimed all new spending is economic plan was self-funding; short by $3.5 Trillion says nonpartisan Tax Policy Center
152 Obama denied Admiral Mike Mullen had called Obama's Iraqi troop plan "dangerous"; Mullen made comment on Fox in July 2008 according to WaPo
151 Obama lied about Kissinger's views of diplomacy during first debate; Kissinger confirms the lie
150 During Debate 1 Obama denied voting to tax some people making $42000 a year: Annenburg Factcheck,org confirms Obama is lying
149 After Debate 1, Team Obama denied Obama ever said, "Iran's not a threat": Video proves Obama DID say "Iran is NOT a threat."
148 Obama claims under McCain employers would be taxed on the health care benefits it grants to workers; he's lying
147 Obama refers to an Iraqi surplus of $79 billion and says US should have it; its $60 billion and dwindling
146 Obama claims only 5% of Americans would see tax increase; he's grossly understating the number of people effected
145 Obama accuses McCain of lying about Biden being against clean coal; video proves Obama is lying
144 Obama claims McCain is opposed to abortion in cases of rape or incest; McCain has never held that position.

143 Obama accuses McCain of making an ad about Obama's vote to approve leaving babies who survive abortion procedures to die; McCain did not make the ad

142 Obama's ad on abortion claims BHO always supported medical care to protect infants; text of the Bill he supported shows he wanted babies born alive after abortions to be left to die

141 Obama's ad on abortion uses quotes by journalists who made negative comments about a McCain ad; but Obama is misleading because both journalists have been proven to be incorrect

140 Obama's lying when he says McCain's ad misstated BHO's Sex Ed for Kindergartners Bill: McCain's ad was accurate; here's the Sex Ed Bill text
139 Obama and Biden both truncate McCain's comments on the strength of the economy's fundamentals: deliberate distortion
138 Biden claims McCain tried to hurt our veterans by denying them educational benefits; NewsWeek confirms Biden is lying
137 Obama claims under McCain, Elderly would have had Social Security tied up in the Stock market; Newsweek cries BS
136 Obama claims his opponent will cut social security in half: NOT true; Obama guilty of scare-mongering aimed at Seniors
135 Biden claims McCain wouldn't help small borrowers hurt by housing crisis; this is untrue according to Newsweek
134 Obama claimed during the primary he had more Ex President Clinton Foreign Policy advisers than Sen. Clinton; she had 70% more
133 Obama claimed his father served in World War 2: his Kenyan-born father never served
132 Obama grossly misquoted Sen.Clinton about her vote on a banking bill; BHO used the false quote to show why voters don't trust Government
131 Obama claimed employers are more likely to be struck by lightning than be prosecuted for employing illegals; Gov stats prove he's lying
130 Pushing his Green agenda Obama claimed Japanese Car average 45 mpg fuel efficiency; its actually around 29 mph
129 Obama disparaged the President saying he hadn't met with auto makers until the sixth year of his presidency; GWB met automakers in April 2003
128 Obama disparaged the efficiency of our healthcare system saying the U.S. spends twice per capita than other countries: WaPo proves he's lying
127 Obama claims President Clinton's Labor Secretary said BHO's healthcare plan, "Does more than anybody to reduce costs"; Robert Reich did NOT say it
126 Obama falsely claimed he won the Michigan Democrat primary: he was not on the ballot
125 Obama's Spanish language ad lies about McCain's position on immigration; tries to stir race-war: lies debunked by ABC
124 Obama lies about his interference in Iraqi negotiations; but his campaign admits his treachery

123 Obama took credit for the economic stimulus package passed in Feb 08; BHO's colleagues on Capitol Hill cry BS
122 Obama claims Big Oil is ignoring 68 million acres of oil fields they could be drilling; most fields are being worked
121 Obama claims never questions his opponent's patriotism; asks of McCain "WHICH country first?": ABC says he's questioning McCain's patriotism

120 Obama claims personal savings rates are lowest since the Great Depression; currently higher than under President Clinton
119 Obama claims on this video that he doesn't switch positions; list of 31 flip flops show he's lying
118 In the Primaries Obama puffed his resume claiming he was a "Professor"; State Senate bio shows he was not ; he now agrees
117 When Obama ran for US Senate his web site claimed "5 years as a community organizer"; he admits it was only 3 years
116 Obama's attack ad in Michigan claims McCain doesn't support loan guarantees for auto-industry. McCain DOES support them
115 Obama says "if we're STILL in recession when he takes office...etc"; the economy is NOT in recession
114 Obama claims he signed up for Selective Service when he graduated from High School; records show he did NOT until he'd been at college 1 year
113 Attacking Palin, Obama has the audacity to claim,"Words mean something; you can't just make things up "; BHO makes stuff up
112 Biden claims McCain will increase taxes for workers & Obama will only increase taxes on those making $435k: he's lying
111 Biden claims Obama drew the Nation's attention to problems at Walter Reed Army Hospital; it was two WaPo reporters that reported the issues to the Nation
110 to make Obama seems more American/less exotic, Biden tells Scranton crowd Obama grew up in Kansas; BHO grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia

109 Obama lies yet again to disparage Gov. Palin; ignores her executive experience as Governor of Alaska

108 Obama says the US economy has failed under Bush; World Bank stats proves Obama's been lying; US a world leader in growth, employment, incomes
107 Obama claims if you are born into poverty in America you are on your own: there are many government programs
106 Obama claims he's bi-partisan: voting records prove Obama is #11 most partisan

105 Claimed Hillary would be on anyone's short-list; Hillary wasn't on Obama's short-list
104 Obama claims abortion rates have not gone down under the Bush Administration; stats show they have gone down
103 Obama dismissed Bomber Bill Ayers as "some guy who lives in the neighborhood";they had a close working relationship
102 Obama claims there's no charge to attend his acceptance speech: CBS 4 in Denver proves he's lying; some tickets cost $1000
101 Obama used being a first-time-buyer to justify consulting with Rezko before he bought his house; BHO had already purchased a residence
100 Obama lies about his support for infanticide; campaign concedes in 03 he opposed a bill stopping the killing of kids born alive after abortions

99 Obama overstates Oil Industry's contributions to McCain; ignores cash the Oil industry gave BHO; Newsweek debunks
98 To belittle America,Obama exaggerated the growth in Debt under the current Administration; debunked by WaPo
97 Obama claims President George W Bush had not left the country before he became President; WaPo confirms he's lying
96 To promote "green", Obama claimed he drove a vehicle that uses ethanol; GM confirmed the model was NOT ethanol-ready
95 Obama claims he's taking his family for a week's rest in Hawaii with no campaigning; schedules a rally for first day

94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close
93 Obama denies accusing McCain of using race against him; ABC, NYT confirm Obama did accuse McCain of making racial attacks

92 Obama claims he's not being political when he's flip-flopping; timing & direction of major flip-flops show he's lying
91: Obama INVENTS a wall between Christians and Jews; deceptively omits the major religious wall is caused by a "fatwah" to kill American Christians and Jews
90 Obama claims he made a substantive call for Germany to help in Iraq; Berlin speech transcript proves he's lying
89: Obama admits he underestimated the decline in violence from the Surge; falsely claims McCain made same mistake
88 Obama turned a disappointing crowd of 20,000 into media reports of 200,000

87 Obama lied about his father's religious upbringing! half-brother confirms Obama's father was "RAISED Muslim"
86 Obama claimed we only made one fundraising trip to Florida during the Primary; Florida papers proved he lied

85 Claims reducing obesity to 80's levels would save Medicaid ONE TRILLION DOLLARS; not even close
84 To make Iraq/Afghan Wars look bad, Obama claimed demands on Nat Guard personnel hurt flood relief; Guards prove lying
83 Claimed due to overseas commitments, too few helecopters were available to help with Midwest flood relief; now concedes not true
82 Starting in Iowa, Obama claimed Clinton's healthcare plan would "punish families that couldn't afford healthcare"; NYT calls BS
81 Obama claims McCain's tax plan will do nothing to help the middle-class: The Tax Policy Center proves he's lying
80 claims the use of an Email with a big red DONATE button is NOT a fundraising solicitation
79 Obama claims his trip to Europe was non-political: uses video of Berlin speech to raise money within hours
78 Tells NBC that during the debate on the Surge he said the Surge would work in Baghdad; video proves during the debate he said the opposite

77 Obama's "Changing World" ad claims he'll fast-track alternatives to oil to stop us buying from hostile nations; "fast track" is totally misleading
76 Obama tells Israeli media that he's a member of the Senate Banking Committee; CNN confirms he's delusional
75 Obama claims Lou Dobbs caused hate crimes against Latinos to double; the FBI and CNN confirm Obama is lying
74 Obama claims the military brass think like he does; top US commanders say his plan for Iraq is unworkable
73: Obama promised to filibust FISA; later Obama voted for FISA and now denies changing his position
72 Obama belittles Americans claiming we can't speak European languages; he's talking merde; mierda; Schei�e
71 Obama denied he accused President Bush of starting the War for political reasons; Russert transcript proves Obama made that false claim
70 Obama claims there has been substantial job losses from NAFTA; Independent studies show its at least" job neutral"
69 Claimed in Feb 08 he got 90% of funds from donors giving $25, $50; fed filings show he got only about a third from donors below $200
68 Obama rewrites history about what specifically he had said during his October 2002 anti-war speech
67 Obama claimed in 04 that he had never supported bringing troops out of Iraq; rare video of 03 Teamsters rally shows he's lying
66 Obama lied about the softness of the Stock Market to support his false claim the War was being used to distract the public
65 To justify move to private funds, Obama claims McCain's campaign is" fuelled" by PACs and Lobbyists; its less than 2% of McCain's money
64 Obama's "Dignity" ad claims he "worked his way" thru college and law school; campaign admits only two summer jobs
63 Obama's "Dignity" ad gives him credit for reducing Welfare rolls by 80%: he's deceptive as he was opposed to Fed Welfare Reform in '96
62 In Obama's The Country I love ad, he takes credit for passing a healthcare bill he did NOT vote for
61 Claims he first ran in Chicago as an unendorsed candidate; his '96 election questionnaire proves he had several
60 Obama claims he wants a vigorous and open debate on the issues: then goes out of his way to avoid it
59 Obama omits key details about a false rumor re video of Michelle's "whitey" rant to justify breaking his public funding promise
58 Obama tries to deceive about why he voted "present" more than 100 times in the Illinois Senate; Chicago paper reveals the truth
57 Trying to claim patriotism Obama says his grandad signed up the day after Pearl Harbor; army records disagree
56 Claims race and party not important to how people vote as they put America first; 93% block vote disproves
55 On June 5, Obama stated that Israel must remain undivided; June 6 on CNN he reversed his position, but denied he had done so

54 To further his own agenda, Obama grossly overstates the number of potential African-American votes in MS, GA, SC
53 Promise of $2500 reduction in Healthcare premiums needs billions in Admin cost savings by 2012: not possible
52 Obama omits to mention his 3 week trip to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan until it slips out trying to out-do Clinton
51 Obama claims McCain wants to wage a lengthy war in Iraq: Video proves Obama's lying
50 Obama claimed he never prayed in a mosque; his campaign had to retract that statement
49 Obama dishonestly used endorsements in ads to pump up his healthcare plan
48 Claims he never discussed politics with Pastor; rebutted by photo of Obama with team of lobbyists led by Wright
47 Obama, an expert at parsing words, claimed he wasn't familiar with the word "Clintonian"; then changed his story
46 Despite reeking of cigarettes, Obama denied smoking to ABC; now admits smoking on MSNBC
45 Obama said he'd meet unconditionally with Leader of Iran: now claims he "didn't have Ahmadinejad in mind"
44 Obama claims he is using public financing to avoid special interests: WSJ nails his switcheroo
43 Obama's rhetoric claims more young black men in jail than college: BoJ Stats disprove
42 Claims he never said he was a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare; Video proves he did
41 Obama claims remarks to industrialists were greeted with silence, shows he can deliver tough message: video of ovation
40 Obamas claim you dont rip opponents & leave on roadside:he did to Alice Palmer
39 Obama denies saying Indiana could be tie-breaker: he did
38 Obama omits that Pastor Wright led divestiture campaign from Israel
37 Obama claims Church not controversial; he knew it was controversial since 86
36 Lied about intention of taking US out of NAFTA
35 Obamas claim poverty growing up: both distort reality
34 Obama denies meeting Saddam's Auchi; sworn Fed. witness places Obama at undisclosed party for Auchi at Rezkos
33 Obama lies about not attacking Clinton over her Bosnia lies
32 Obama claims he passed ethics reform; ABC News shows he lied
31 Obama says he's consistently opposed NAFTA; in October 2007 he supported expansion to Peru
30 Obama claims he's above dirty political tricks; Clinton proves he lies
29 Obama claims his "bitter" remarks were mangled; then repeats attacks on guns religion and angry people
28 Obama claims never said he wouldn't wear US flag-pin; video shows he did
27 Obama says he did no favors for Rezko;untrue; he lobbied for him
26 Changes story repeatedly re Rezko's help in buying mansion
25 Obama claims he never supported a ban on handguns; he has twice
24 Obama claims stays at UCC as Pastor acknowledged comments were inappropriate; Wright never made this statement
23 Campaign is beholden to "only the people" as unlike McCain/Clinton he does not take lobbyist /PAC money; LIES!
22 Claims campaign never called Canada to say Obama not truthful re wanting leave NAFTA; smoking gun memo proves lied
21 Mrs Obama admits she's never been proud of America; Video disproves Sen. Obama's later claim she was misquoted
20 Claimed would not run for President, as he would not be qualified by 2008: confirmed 3 times to Tim Russert in one 2006 interview
19 Claims famous in Il. for not letting lobbyists even buy him lunch; took from teachers, trial lawyers, hospital admins
18 Claims his parents met at Selma civil rights march; Washington Post noted it occurred 4 yrs after Obama's birth
17 BO claims courageously opposed war in 2002 during US Senate campaign; He did not announce his senate bid until 2003
16 Claims he passes tough Nuclear Law; NYT uncovers he took Nuclear Industry pay-off and watered down the bill
15 Claimed he didn't know Rezko was corrupt when did a real estate deal with him; Chicago papers prove he lied
14 Claims does not accept money from Big Oil: Real Clear Politics proves he lied
13 Denies using his Hopefund PAC to influence endorsers; but the Washington Post reviewed the record and disagreed
12 Claims his State Chair is not a drug company lobbyist; Time magazine cries Bullshit
11 Lies about how much he received in campaign funds from Rezko; forced to significantly increase the amount twice
10 Claims he did not fill out the 1996 candidate questionaire; Politico proves he lied
9 Took credit for achievement of others in Chicago; resume puffing exposed by LA Times
8 Claims he kept no State Senate records; now he changes his story
7 Denies doubling wife's salary was due to becoming US Senator; omits within months he earmarked $1 million for hospital
6 Denied meeting Saddam bagman Auchi; now admits he was at his dinner but does not remember talking to him
5 Denies using his church for politics: IRS disagree
4 Claims he was unaware of Pastor Wrights 911 comments: NYT proves he lied
3 Claims his father was a goat-herd; actually he was a man of privilige
2 Claims not an active muslim as child; Indonesian paper proves he lied
1 Claims father linked to Kennedys; Washington Post proves he lied

Nice waste of bandwidth. He didn't start a war, he actually opposed it, that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people for no reason at all. And if you want to talk about the defecit, look into what your pal GWB and friends did to drain us. But that was OK. He was "protecting us".

That must have taken a long time to type out, did you miss Glen Beck tonight writing it???

Facts do not over-ride opinions, but that's just my opinion.

Took 9 seconds to copy and paste, reaper, and no I didnt bother to read them all that would be stoooopid...............did you read them all????

There are a number things the public "knows" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.

Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:

1) President Obama tripled the deficit.
Reality: Bush's last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion.

2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.
Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the "stimulus" was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.

3) President Obama bailed out the banks.
Reality: While many people conflate the "stimulus" with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts to be "non-reviewable by any court or any agency.") The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama.

4) The stimulus didn't work.
Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.

5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.
Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.

6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.
Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.

7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is "going broke," people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.
Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.

8) Government spending takes money out of the economy.
Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on "welfare" and "foreign aid" when that is only a small part of the government's budget.

hey - looky here - USA Chat is back!

I came to see more Richard reports. Glad to see preliminary reports that AC and most of Belize is okay after Richard.

As for the Tea Party -- characterize it as you will. I have been to so many damn meetings as a candidate that I can definitively say one thing -- you cannot uniformly characterize the movement. It's too diverse (for now).

I could comment on jhill's post, but suffice it to say I find 6,7, and 8 particualrly amusing. No time to debate it here -- I'll leave that to others.

Back to work. 1 week until election time, folks.

Peace!

actually, they are all quite amusing! Leftist truth I guess?!

Thank you Jhill....that sums it up perfectly, which is why your side will be getting an ass kicking next week!

Was confesion good for the soul? I'd heard it was, but would like to have you confirm it......

Its not often in life that one is lucky enough to have an opponent serve up a softball right down the middle of the plate, but when it happens all you can do is say "Thank You!" and watch it sail out of the park........

I've no doubt your party will lie its way into office. Just look at the ads. Being sponsored by foreign governments and foreign businesses will come with a price.

But I'm sure you're above reproach as nothing you say can be false, or you wouldn't say it.

You are predicting a Libertarian win.....

Thats more than I expecteted..I was hoping for just one seat somewhere (Ohio maybe?) as a starting point!

But of course I do believe you are referring to the republicans, who don't really have to do much at all other than just reap the rewards of the hundreds of thousands of indepenendents and "undecideds" who tried voting "white guilt" and are going back to a more pragmatic approach now they have experienced OTOs policies, and not just his teleprompter....

The republicans will have 2 years to show they have seen the light and respond to the demand for conservative fiscal policy, and if they do not, we will be blessed with 4 more years of Obama, hamstrung by a republican house and senate...which may not be all that bad...whatever allows Washington to do the least amount of harm!

If you have the time and the inclination then www.factcheck.org is a great place to see the lies, half truths and mistaken claims made.

The issue is that it is a reflex for a politician to lie so you need a lot of time to figure out the deceptions.

http://www.factcheck.org/2004/06/false-ads-there-oughta-be-a-law-or-maybe-not/

http://www.zeropartypolitics.com/2010/10/saying-no-to-party-of-duh-no-republican.html
This sums it up.