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don't know if it is ok for animals, but to induce vomiting in humans, ipecac does the trick...

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Ipecac is rarely available in Belize. Actually, Bywarren is correct, talk with your vet about what is the best thing to do in the absence of veterinary care if a pet is poisoned. I did. Because I am an RN, I may have been given directions not suitable for lay persons. It would be great if a vet could publish what to do in a periodical so that everyone could be aware of the best actions to take in the absence of a vet.

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Some poisons should not be expelled by induced vomiting.


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Advice straight from a vet.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU PET HAS BEEN POISIONED.

I try not to get involved in message boards especially the www.ambergriscaye.com site. I find they are a lot of gossip with very little accurate information.
Now I am hearing third hand that there has been quite a discussion on a message board on what to do if your dog is poisoned. Naturally the participants never thought of approaching a vet.

My initial response was this: Why has no one emailed me or called me and asked me this question if it is so important to them? Why has no one from a newspaper come to ask me these questions and publish an article? I have made myself more than available. I have my cell phone number published and have made myself available 24 hours a day for questions and assistance for people with pets all over Belize.

That said, here is some information for concerned pet owners:

Symptoms of poisons in our pets:

vomiting
diarrhea
bleeding from nose or mouth, blood in urine, diarrhea or vomit
stumbling, falling
changes in mentation - lack of responsiveness, confusion, panic
tremors, seizures, muscle twitching or spasms
elevated body temperature
low body temperature
salivation
listlessness

If your pet shows these signs they may have ingested a toxin. Or they may have an infectious disease or some other illness. Only a veterinarian will be able to make an educated assessment of what has happened.

Toxin ingestions that I have seen or suspected in the last two years I have been in Belize:

organophosphate insecticide
strychnine
rodenticide ("rat bait")
toad
unknown (this is most of them)

The first thing you should do if you think your pet was poisoned and he is showing any of these symptoms is get him to a veterinarian as soon as possible. If you cannot reach a veterinarian you should do the following:

1) take your pet's temperature rectally. If it is 105 or higher you should immediately cool him down with cool water. Once the temperature reaches 103 you should stop. Continuing can result in an excessive drop in body temperature and hypothermia. Never use ice cubes. If your pet's tempurature is less than 99 degrees he is in shock. At this point the body is shutting down and only emergency treatments for shock by a veterinarian has the possibility of saving him.

2) If your pet has not vomited you may induce vomiting by giving hydrogen peroxide. Several tablespoons by mouth will often do the trick. If you induce vomiting when your pet is seizuring or neurologically affected in any way he could choke on the vomit and die, so only induce vomiting if your pet is awake and alert and has a swallow reflex.

3) Give activated charcoal by mouth. This is not the same as the charcoal we cook with. It will bind the toxins that remain in the GI tract. Again, you should not do this if your pet is showing any neurologic signs.

4) The "Antidote" - People on the message board want the "Antidote" information. The "antidote" to organophosphate insecticide toxicity is called atropine. The dose is 0.02-2 mg/kg, depending on symptoms and the amount ingested. It is given SQ, IM, or IV. However, a word of warning: Atropine will not cure your dog. Just ask Michelle and George. Their dog Audrey was poisoned last year and they went to Belize City for treatment because I had not arrived back from Costa Rica yet. She received atropine and was discharged. She later seized on the plane back to San Pedro. She arrived at my hospital limp and blue and struggling to breathe. Miraculously we were able to save her with Oxygen, IV fluids for shock, and pentobarbitol (an IV anesthetic used for seizures).

I understand that people in San Pedro are very self-sufficient, but one thing that must be understood is that TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. A dog who is seizuring and has a temp of 105 may survive. If you mess around at home trying to save him for 30 minutes his temp may rise to the point that he may not be saved. He may suffer from hypoxia as the seizures deprive his brain of oxygen, or any one of many other deadly possibilities may develop.

It is foolish to do anything other than drive directly to the vet if one is available.

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by warren..I would like to hear about how you helped your poisoned dogs..What dogs you had and how many and how you went about saving them . I have had 4 poisoned saved two, others have had some as well and we dont seem to have the answer so did yours survive? Mine always happened after midnight....NO VET...have you ever seen the actual death of a strychnine dog??? Who do you call at 3 a.m.........................because 4 am is to late
Our Local dog saver injects Valium..if atropine is not available...get charcoal capsules from the pharmacy..mabe 10 of them..then again the pharmacy is not open in the mid of nite. Open the capsules and dilute them with enough water to get it down the throat...oh shit..its so damn hard to save a stricnine dog just hold them until you cant..love them and help their demise as best you can...those that have lived it will know the feeling of panic and dispear...
You never plan for it,,it just enters your life like the worst nightmare...


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I don't bring my dog here. She stays back in the States when I am away. I posted the comments from the local vet here in San Pedro hoping that might help some if a vet is not available.

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Warren - thank you thank you thank you. That is what we have been asking for. Are you a vet or are these instructions from the vet here?

To critics:
If you have never had to hold a living thing that you love while it dies you can only guess at the pain.
Please don't insult us by accusing anyone of perposely avoiding going to the vet. At a hysterical time like that each of us are operating on every level possible.

Now that we have better information any one of use can be more prepared. I certainly will put together an emergency first aid kit for my one surviving dog. (I've lost one in each of the three posionings.)

I'm going to call Pampered Paws and see if they will arrange one for me and maybe others.


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Please people, as I have held an animal while she died in my arms (not from poisoning) let's get over this problem with our Vets. We have a serial killer in our midst, if not more than one.
Laurie Droke will help you, if she is on the Island....instantly. I have had that experience, when dear Mona was sick.
Get over the stupid "vet wars". I have always supported SAGA and made my choice of where to take my pet on my personal recipe...SAGA first-to support SAGA, Dr. Droke when I thought she could be of most help. Not everybody has that choice, so that makes your choice!
Stop this childish war about "the vets ".
If your dog is dying, call any vet you can get! Dr Laurie, will get to you if she is available! I used to be an emergency responder for Mental Health for a hospital, on call! When I was on call, I was on call!
SAGA doesn't have on call help. Laurie is as on call as it gets for San Pedro!
Also, not all of my patients liked me...that wasn't the criterion for them to get help by me. They learned that, I cared for them whether they liked me, or whether I liked them! If I always responded and did the best I could, that's as good as it gets!
Laurie will do that for your pet. She will get out of bed, and care for your pet at any hour.
I'm sorry she is defensive, and gets in her own way by questioning how badly she has been treated or pointing out how unappreciated she is...
I hope she gets over this.
But, in any case....she will save your pet...if it can be saved, and she has the resources....so. San Pedro pet lovers make your choice.

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Gwen - have I missed something? Was something posted then erased? I don't see anything here about one vet or another.
I'm very grateful to who ever it was that wrote out the instructions for us. thank you


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Sorry, I'm confused. I did see a bunch of instructions before, but I don't see them now.
Don't treat your own animals. My brother is a Vet, I worked as a vet Tech for years, I even got the privilege to work in the Vet Hospital at the National Zoo. (last job before going to Grad school in Psychology).
I'm not sure about the vet issue, but I have read posts on two boards, and it seems to be that, somehow, some people are advising to treat poisonings yourselves! And avoid taking animals to Dr Laurie.
Another Board is advising against "planning to treat" poisonings at home.
I'm just trying to say! (understanding triage) Get emergency help from a Vet!
Dr Laurie, also made a posting to that effect, but I'm not sure on which board, and she gave some triage advice, and then said get your animal to the Vet ASAP.
My first job as a biologist was to work for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, at Patuxent Research Center. I researched the effects of pesticides on wildlife. The worst poisons ever perpetrated on the world have been organochlorines, organophosphates, heavy metals (mercury, lead, etc) and PCB's. So,if someone is poisoning our pets, with any of these, we must fight them, whether they are a local thug, or if they are just a fool

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