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if the south side developer has a problem with the no-road vega property, why doesn't he offer to BUY a piece from mr. vega to create a road, then?

My sentiments exactly.

In the U.S. we have a method that is called Eminent Domain. What is basically boils down to is the government takes a property that it needs for the public use and pays the owner of that property a fair value. Perhaps there is something similar in Belize.

I rented a golf cart to explore when I was on the island. I had to cross the airport runway and cut across near a cemetary to go along the beach around to the south end of the island. There were some pretty nice houses down at that end.

So I guess I am curious as to where this road is supposed to be. I didn't see any other way to travel other than along the beach.

So can someone explain where this connecting road is?

Everything else has been tried. There is only one way across the airstrip. Mr. Vega has been approached for many years by both private and government to purchase the land for a road. He says no.Government Planning didn't worry at first because they knew the road would go in when Mr. Vega subdivided since that is the law. When that didn't work they reluctantly used the eminent domain laws to establish the missing link. A short visit from Vega last week and Minister Briceno reversed himself and left the footballers out in the cold.
All goverment land on CC has been divided to give out at election time. The sports complex needs to be built on the land as part of the donation or the same would happen to the field.
I asked the donors about the increase in value in land. They thought that would be OK but none had it in the front of their minds. The answers I got were "I want to come home at night to lights at my house" "I want a safe way for my kids to go to school." "I don't live on my land because I wouldn't be able to get to work. I bought it because this is the only cheap land for locals to buy."
One guy sells land at no down with big discounts to Belizians but few villagers live there because of Mr. Vega.

Far be it from me to stick my nose into another countries politics but why not show this Briceno the way out with your vote? Wavering on a decision is never good politics, nor is putting the good of the few in front of the good of the many.

Can a road be made along the sea edge? I'm reading between the lines but that perhaps is what the poster above was saying about find another way?

Can an electrical easement be given over this Vega land even if a road easement has been denied?

I just might want to get a small piece of land if it is affordable.

Everything else has been tried. There is only one way across the airstrip.

THERE IS NEVER ONLY ONE WAY. WHAT ABOUT PUSHING A ROAD AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE ISLAND. THAT ROAD AS IT STANDS, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AIRSTRIP, IS NOT A GOOD IDEA ANYWAY. WHEN EXPANSION COMES IT WILL HAVE TO GO AS IT WILL POSE DANGER TO PEOPLE.

IN PLACENCIA, THE AIRSTRIP WAS FIRST BUILT THIS SAME WAY AND THE ROAD WENT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE AIRSTRIP AS IT DOES HERE IN CAYE CAULKER. AS SOON AS PLACENCIA BOOMED, THE ROAD HAD TO BE DIVERTED TO THE EDGE OF THE WATERWAY, SEPERATING VEHICULAR AND PEOPLE TRAFFIC FROM THE HOURLY FLIGHTS INTO THAT DESTINATION. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE BY NOT PLANNING AHEAD AGAIN?!

A short visit from Vega last week and Minister Briceno reversed himself and left the footballers out in the cold.
All goverment land on CC has been divided to give out at election time. The sports complex needs to be built on the land as part of the donation or the same would happen to the field.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT A FOOTBALL FIELD. THIS IS ABOUT A ROAD THAT WILL BRING INFRASTRUCTURE AND VALUE TO THE PROPERTY OWNDERS BUT ESPECIALLY TO THE LAND DEVELOPER FIGHTING FOR THIS CAUSE. KEYCOCKER IS THE LAND DEVELOPER WHICH IS WHY HE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

I asked the donors about the increase in value in land. They thought that would be OK but none had it in the front of their minds.

THIS IS BULL....! IT IS SO DEEP I CAN HARDLY WALK IN IT.

The answers I got were "I want to come home at night to lights at my house" "I want a safe way for my kids to go to school." "I don't live on my land because I wouldn't be able to get to work. I bought it because this is the only cheap land for locals to buy."

THE CAYE CAULKER VISITOR WHO RODE HIS GOLF CART THRU THIS PART OF THE ISLAND COMMENTED ON HOW LOVELY THE HOUSES ARE IN THIS AREA! THE NICEST HOMES ON THIS ISLAND IS IN THIS AREA. THEY ARE HAPPY THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE AND HAVE PROVIDED THEIR OWN.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO HAVE NOT DEVELOPED OUR LOTS ON THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. MOSTLY TOO, BECAUSE WE BOUGHT IT FOR OUR KIDS WHO ARE STILL YOUNG AND ARE NOT NEEDING IT QUITE YET.

STILL, MANY BOUGHT LAND IN THAT AREA PURELY FOR SPECULATION. WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE IS EXCITED ABOUT HE PROSPECT OF A ROAD. THIS LAND WAS SOLD TO THEM ON THE PREMISE THAT A ROAD AND LIGHT WOULD FOLLOW SHORTLY - MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. WELL, ITS BEEN OVER THREE YEARS THAT THIS PROMISE WAS MADE AND STILL NO INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DEVELOPER (WHO HAS PERHAPS ALREADY RE-INVESTED THE CAPITAL GAINS FROM THIS LAND SELL) HAS ALL HIS CLIENTS COMING BACK SAYING....HEY, YOU PROMISED...WANT MY MONEY BACK....

NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS.

One guy sells land at no down with big discounts to Belizians but few villagers live there because of Mr. Vega.

THIS ONE GUY IS KEYCOCKER! AND HE DOES OFFER BELIZEANS A DISCOUNT - ABOUT 25% DISCOUNT. I AM A BELIZEAN WHO OWNS PROPERTY IN THAT AREA - THERE ARE PERHAPS ABOUT THREE OF US. WE ARE THE MINORITY.

I DON'T LIVE THERE, NOT BECAUSE OF TONY VEGA. HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME PURCHASING LAND FROM KEYCOCKER. AND WHEN I BOUGHT, I WASN'T STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT ONE MAN CAN GIVE ME ANOTHER MAN'S LAND ( THE ROAD IDEA ). THIS NEVER FACTORED INTO THE EQUATION.

KEYCOCKER IS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE LAND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE AIRSTRIP, BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST TIP.

HE SOLD THE EAST (NE) TIP AND SURROUNDING AREA A LONG TIME AGO. HE IS CURRENTLY SELLING THE WEST (SW) TIP AND ITS SURROUNDING AREAS. I MAINTAIN THAT THE PLANNING FOR A CONNECTING ROAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THE SUBDIVISION MADE BY KEYCOCKER, NOT, TONY VEGA (it is not his responsibility to accommodate the land owners who purchased property from Keycocker on the premise that he will have GOB push a road thru another man's land).

AND IT IS STILL NOT TOO LATE. I SAY, PUSH FOR THE ROAD TO BE BUILT ON THE EAST OR WEST COAST / TIP OF THE AIRSTRIP. NOT IN THE MIDDLE!

[This message has been edited by Mermaid (edited 06-08-2002).]

Curiously enough, the layout at the Airstrip is as follows:

North / East side - Nature reserve controlled by BTIA, run and operated by a Naturalized Belizean (aka: Foreigner). She makes her living by giving walks and talks here - on what is supposed to be Belizean owned land. A nature reserve for PROFIT to the foreigner.

South / East side - property belonging to another foreigner (snow bird). Purchased from Keycocker.

North / West side - property owned by yet another foreigner (developer). They are currently sub-dividing and offering land for sale.

South / West side - property owned by Keycocker (foreigner/developer). Not sure if this snowbird is a Naturalized Belizean.

Now think about it - On either side of the Perimeter of the Airstrip, the land is owned by a foreigner. Somewhere in the middle a native (Tony Vega) has a piece of property.

Guess where the foreigner/developer wants the road to be pushed thru?

ANS: THRU THE NATIVE'S LAND

Why do you think he says that there is no other way?

ANS: BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS ARE NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO ALLOW IT, AND WON'T BUDGE.

Where is the justice in this? Where is the 'love of Belizeans' in this?

ANS: NOWHERE. GREED IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SEEK A PROFIT AND A BETTER WAY OF LIFE, EVEN IF IT IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NATIVES.

Ever notice how hate talk and misinformation are often in the same post? An excess of one often leads to the other.
I never had any land on the East side of the island.Those posts are incorrect. Every person who bought a place from me has it in writing that I can not provide a road over anyone else's place.
The road that has been there since the turn of the century crosses the airstrip in only one place. This should be no problem since the law requires all roads to connect. Anywhere folks think it would be safest is good with me.
If you are a Belizian and not too deep into this anti 'foreigner' racism comedy try me for a discount.I will give you more than 25% off. I would sell entirely to locals if it was possible. Having a road there makes it feasible for locals to work and live away from the village. The local clients who speak to me have made that abundently clear.
If you locals step up and buy at a discount that will cause me to get less for my places -not more.
This land has belonged to what the racists call "foreigners" since the Queen owned it.(another foreigner)
Little by little parts of it are becoming Belizian owned for the first time. I can think of seven offhand.

Keycocker,

Take a look at the "Racism" thread on this board.

What the local has been trying to say all along is what Enigma has so kindly elaborated on in a clear and concise manner.

Enigma clearly states that he is from the USA yet I doubt very much that you will find a local thrashing his valid points, 'foreigner' or not. In fact, you will more likely find us applauding him! I know I do!

Why? Because he has reached a level of acceptance of the lifestyle, attitudes and cultural norm of the place he CHOSE to call home.

As far as I am concerned, you are the only one trying to manipulate people into siding with you by using the terms such as 'racism', 'hate' or 'anti-foreign' in your posts.

It is cheap, low and dirty. The good ole method of "Divide and conquer"! Shame on you.